Al-Zarqawi and the conspiracy

BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) -- Abu Musab al-Zarqawi was alive on a stretcher and tried to move off it when U.S. troops reached the wounded terrorist leader after his safe house had been bombed, a U.S. general said at a news conference Friday.

"The first people on the scene were the Iraqi police. They had found him and put him into some kind of gurney, stretcher, .... and then American coalition forces arrived immediately thereafter on site," Caldwell said.

"According to the person on the ground, Zarqawi attempted to ... turn away off the stretcher. Everybody re-secured him back on to the stretcher but he died almost immediately thereafter from the wounds he had received from the airstrike."
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So now the Iraqi police are part of the conspiracy? Was al-zarqawi killed months ago? Or is his death exactly as reported?

I don't buy into any conspriacy theory that the U.S. has been holding this information for month(s) and only released it now to take attention away from Haditha.

What say you?

Briana Dawson

*waits for kendra to say something utterly annoying and post some random quote from a guy's blog again

I heard there was this conspiracy between the US and Iraq to kill Zarqawi with an airstrike. Dunno if that's true or not.

And I hear that there was this big conspiracy to capture Saddam, too.

I hear there is a conspiracy to capture or kill Osama bin Laden also.

Naw, we're not going to make him die. We're just going to Let It Happen On Purpose.

"I don't buy into any conspriacy theory that the U.S. has been holding this information for month(s) and only released it now to take attention away from Haditha."

As far as conspiracy theories go, it's not too loopy. "We killed him months ago, but we had to keep it quiet until now because we needed to do tests and check things completely to make sure it was him before releasing the information to the public".

Or it could just be simply good news turning up right on time to distract from the bad news by complete chance again.

Musuko.

Why does everyone assume that the news about Haditha is over? The trials will go on for months, it's ridiculous to assume that one news bit on the death of an enemy leader will last long enough to mask the legal proceedings over Haditha. That conspiracy theory doesn't even pass a smell test.

"Why does everyone assume that the news about Haditha is over?"

It won't be the "big" story in the media any more. Something new has come along.

This news doesn't have to be around long enough to completely obscure the entire trial. It just has to be around long enough to distract the public from the initial scandal and have them forget.

Musuko.

This wild theory just came out by some radical-thinking doctors:

Sometimes, someone might take a great amount of bodily trauma, and while they're dying, it takes a few minutes.

Man, you've gotta be on some powerful drugs for crazytalk like that...






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And I can guarantee you that if a military court martial finds the Marines innocent, it will barely make the front page. It will only be a "big" story if they're found guilty.

... and a not guilty verdict, of course, will spawn even more conspiracy theories. Some people always find the negative.

Didn't you know? They were already guilty. Just because.

I'm not sure I get the conspiracy here. We bombed his house and hurt him badly.

He was still alive and died on the stretcher?

Seems straightforward to me.

In a separate thread someone voiced their opinion that Zarqawi had been dead for "months" and that his death was made public simply to distract the public from the Haditha investigation. It was also claimed that Bin Laden has been dead since December 2001 and the U.S. government has kept it secret to keep the war on terror machine rolling.

Conspiracies?

Briana Dawson

God bless you! *offers a tissue*

-Kiamat Dusk

Well, if you hae an explanation for how a man who needs dialysis every 3 days can survive in the wilds for years, I'm all ears. I don't think the US killed him directly, but lack of adequate medical care almost certainly has.

Oh noes! I'm in on the conspiracy Hiro undercovered!

I strongly doubt there was any withholding. This is just too much of a coup for the administration to hold it back for any reason aside from 'let's make absolutely sure it's him before we go public.' That kind of withholding I really don't have a problem with.

As far as a distraction? Nah. The administration doesn't really need to do that. The news media are collectively the republicans' lapdogs anyway.

OMG YOU SHOT OSAMA! A conspiracy is afoot!

Nope I don't see a conspiracy there. I do see a conspiracy however in waging a war to keep the people from noticing that our jobs are going overseas at an alarming rate, the price of fuel is skyrocketing leading to overall inflation very soon and the hot real estate investing bubble is starting to pop.

I don't believe they killed Zarqawi months ago --I believe they killed him exactly when they said they did. I also believe they could have killed him at any time of their choosing, and that in fact he was in their sights and capability to kill even before we invaded Iraq.

The "conspiracy" if you will, is that they waited to kill him when it was the most opportunistic for them to do so.

What is being ignored is the larger picture. Death and Chaos in Iraq is the Bush administration's DESIRED effect. The goal isn't stealing Iraqi oil. It's keeping Iraqi oil off the market --it's a supply and demand favor to their Saudi friends and to Big Oil in general.

How much to fill up your SUV now?

Now quick! Rush to your keyboards to call me a loonie, cause that's gonna really help you at the pumps.


and yes --Osama has been dead since December '01 -- if he had been confirmed dead we couldn't have illegally invaded a sovereign nation could we?

So you think Bush knew they could get him all this time, but instead elected to allow more American troops die and his own approval ratings plummet into the 30's when any coup like the death of Zarqawi could at least alter some perceptions of our effectiveness?

Wow, Kendra. I don't think you've thought this through.


Wait. Before the war, the cry of the anti-war bunch was "no blood for oil". Now you want to tell me that it wasn't really a conspiracy inspired by Big Oil to sieze Iraqi production after all, that it was actually a conspiracy by Bush to artificially control world prices in cahoots with the Saudis? Which is it? Is Bush or is he not in the hip pocket of Big Oil, and why would they not want more oil in the pipeline to sell at their overly-inflated prices?


He was hiding in Afghanistan, not Iraq. Whether he was dead or alive, we went into Afghanistan after the Taliban -- the same free-thinkers who destroyed the 1500-year old Buddhist statues and shot women in their soccer stadiums. He may or may not be dead, but it had nothing to do with our justification for invading Afghanistan.

Hey, HEY! You throttle back, missy! The Taliban was just removing religious objects from public land as well they should! We should all be so progressive.

-Kiamat Dusk

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2006/06/08/political-animal-_n_22518.html




same thing. Big Oil and Saudis don't want a lot of oil on the market. They wanna charge 78 dollars a barrel.



They can't sell oil for a lot if there is a lot of oil. Supply and Demand. Old story.





Tora Bora is in Afghanistan. Bin Laden is dead. A dead Bin Laden would have made us feel safe --and Bush wouldn't have been have to conflate him with Hussein.

The fact that Bin Laden had nothing to do with Iraq is a point which eluded the President --and his sheeple followers --not me.

So is that guy who was supporting Kerry in the elections? And UBL has had at least one other appearance since then.

...or did they not report that in "The Worker's Daily"?

-Kiamat Dusk