I'm lovin' Windows Vista Beta 2...

Sounds good to me, asumeing the DRM systems arent as scary as they currently seem I will prolly be making a "vista system" about a year after its settled into the market. If it werent for the bad taste in my mouth about laptops I would def go for a Mac book with boot camp, but severe lack of upgradeability has scarred me away from continused use after college.

As for all the "screw you"'s im going to linux people. Thats fine, but im far to lazy to do the work thats needed to sustain such a life style. I like out of the box operability/compatibility.

"But windows stability is laughable" ... only if your a moron on a computer. I have been running the same XP Pro install for about 2 years now, installed and uninstalled about 100 ish applications, including currently running web/ftp/sftp/ssh/dns/vnc/game servers without a problem, and havent caught a virus in over 2 years.

Looking forward to Vista ... asueming DRM sauce isnt too strong.

I cant see the "average joe" moving to Linux just yet. WHile it's quite stable & reliable, it has a few problems of it's own.

For one, it's just too darn "geeky". You average run-of-the-mill home owner isnt about to learn hundreds of command lines just to do something. While it has a decent GUI, it still needs some work in areas. Linux would have to be dumbed down for the majority.

The other problem I see is, too many versions. Some better than others. WHile this is useful in the development of Linux, there needs to be a standardized OS platform. Much like Mac OS & Windows.

As for Windows being "unstable"? Pfft... they wish! I've had hard drives die before Windows XP Pro. Been running it over 1.5 years, 24/7. No problems. Period. Now- the software companies create, THATS been the cause of crashes. Yet XP Pro keeps on running.

My theory on most Windows haters are that they're old users of W98 & Windows ME, with ME being the worst P.O.S. so far. OR they just had a P.O.S. Dell/Gateway/Compaq/etc.

Linux is in fact finally ready for prime time. Two words: Ubuntu and Automatix.

To gain acceptance, it has to 'just work.' This does. Honestly I can't see a huge number of people switching to Mac even with bootcamp. It's still Apple, (the company that gave us iTunes) and it's still Microsoft, (no slouches when it comes to DRM themselves even before Vista.) It's no particular advantage.

I look at it this way. If I'm given a choice between two operating systems, neither of which (for whatever reason, be that reverse engineered code or DRM) runs my software exactly right...... call me crazy but I'm gonna have to go with the free one.

Well thats another problem I see with Linux. Do you know just how many people you can talk to and they've never heard of it? Out of just the 40 people where I work only 3 heard of Linux, or knew what it was. One or two others thought it was some kind of programming "thing", another thought it was only for companies.

Heh, Linux users should make a commercial to compete with Microsoft & Apple. Would be amusing to see The Stoner & the Business Guy in the Apple commercial holding hands with a Penguin.

I thought this would be a fun addition to this thread. I just read that it takes seven steps to delete a shortcut from the Vista desktop. See the pictures on Flickr:

http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=151250154&size=o

~Ulrika~

heh, aside from the current bugs which can in theory be fixed. I haven't seen conclusive evidence that it's better proformance wise, and the price tag ensures that I'm never going to buy it. Microsoft justifies the price of it's various software suites by pointing to piracy, and the magnitude of the software. a) piracy argument is circular, you pirate, we charge more, you charge more, we pirate. b) I don't WANT that large an os. There is no reason the os should be that big. I realize I'm in the minority there because most people like that it contains a driver to make anything work as soon as it's inserted, a sparkly gui, "useful" utilities and tools. I like the idea behind directx 10, and the memory abilities. I don't like drm, I don't like microsofts business policies reguarding things like directx 10 and it's exclusivity. So all in all it's not a bad product and it's probably worth every penny... except that as a consumer it's no where near what I want to buy.

I dream of the day when OS technology leaves its infant stages and each generation of OS becomes smaller than the one before it. Heck, i'll be happy when OS bloat rate is slower than Moore's law.

just installed the beta 2 public 32bit,a dnthe latest ati beta 2 drivers
no joy
says unsupported card just like the top post, funny thing in this thread though
how by post 4 or 5 in the thread people weren't talking about anything in relation to the topic of the thread hehehe

I've burned the ISO to DVD three times now and can't get it to load.

-Kiamat Dusk

to kick maybe closer back to topic,

what hardware are you running that is successfully running second life under the Windows Vista Beta 2...


min isn't running it as SL claims doesn't recognise the grahpics card

CPU: soket 939 AMD Athlon 64 3500+
Ram: 2gb PC3200 DDR
Graphics: Ati Radeon X1600 pro 256 mb DDR

other programs run find that use directX yet i notice only thing that is missing in the info for the beta2 vista driver from ati is an openGL version. prolly not ready yet is my guess

I must say I am surprised to hear that anyone had SL working under Vista as in previous builds it did not work without using a certain XP driver build, which made certain other things unstable on my system.

Even as an actual beta tester for Vista, I had not had time to try Beta2 yet, most of all because I spend so much time in Second Life and it never worked right. Before it always complained of GDI graphics errors (SL misdetected the emulation of the DX) and -noprobe never worked...

I guess I should try B2 now and see if I can actually get SL running, OP said you upgraded the graphics to get SL to run, were you actually running a Vista build of NV drivers and if so what build and possibly link to them? I will check out the NV beta site when I actually get B2 to download and install lol...

Second Life seems to work in Vista if you have an Nvidia card and are using their drivers for Beta 2. ATI's driver do not seem to support OpenGL yet. When I try to run SL on my computer at work with an ATI card, SL complains about the card being a generic GDI video card and won't load. Hopefully updated drivers from ATI will fix the problem.

I just totally muched my PC with vista.. BSOD when the installer restarts your PC, now endlessly restarting, BSOD every time

Damn, and i really wanted to try it out..

Will Microsoft deactivate the beta version after the release comes out? I just downloaded the beta and just thought of that before installing.

Briana Dawson

Im growing more and more comfortable with my Gentoo install I just got the native Second Life linux client running, and boy does it blow the windows client out of the water. It may just be my computer, but when I run SL on Windows, it seems to suck and suck and suck memory ever so gradually, until its using over 800 megs. (Performance suffers majorly, as I only have 512 megs of ram).

Better memory management? better thread scheduler? dunno...
==Chris

Zak, i fully agree did a little research myself after posting the x64bit drivers for Win Xp pro 64bit which i got the legit OEM edition through the technology advancement program last year
shows that the ATI driver does have OpenGL, which appears to be why SL isn't detecting it correctly. So yes it's up to ATI really and Sl then will be working for ATI users.

Briana, it's got hardcoded till june 1 07 as the registration and readme's say ( yes have to eventually buy full thing ) but people will get to try beta 3 when it releases
but just like any of the evaluation trials it's time limited.

Chris, Gentoo gotta love a person with patience. really nice distro as it compiles everything for the machine it's being installed on really optimises for speed... personally though i'm a debian fan. that's my normal alternate OS and I also run a small Cobalt Qube2 Microserver running debian 3.1 sarge for Mipsel

Tsukasa, usually hardware fault or compatability reasons for that kinda thing.

Coal, unfortunatly i don't have a pc with an Nvidia i can chance the beta on at moment as only one i have that does belongs to my wife and i don't wanna put that machine in a test condition at moment. but it seems those that have nvidia right now are going to benifit off that if Nvidia did put OpenGL 1.x or 2.x in the beta drivers

yes i agree to some points, but 1 year ago MS was also the focus target of every security forum out there, now they are agree'ing that they have taken a much more responcible role in security and that usual focus has recently turned it's eye's at Oracle ( sad to see that they used to be quite well off ) pricing, no it's not just microsoft that use that as an excuse, the entire software retail industry blames that as a part of the cause. mosta the game manufactures ( iD, Valve, Epic, Crytek, etc.etc ) all those big names in game engines all have taken measures to reduce piracy just to try and get costs down but as long as a program/s or application suite is popular, people out there will try and steal them. yes MS could also reduce the size by reducing mosta the graphics and *BLING*
just take any windows version and set it for best performance, yes it starts to look again like win98 but also drops about 200mb of usage from memory *sad*

anyway maybe this is a good topic for another forum or thread really, but those that want to know
my system:
CPU: Amd Athlon x64 3500+ socket 939
Video: Saphire Ati Radeon X1600 Pro PCI-e 256mb DDR
Ram: 2gb PC3200
Storage: 200gb Ata133 and 300gb SATA2

AH! Good thing I looked here. I was gonna ask if anyone tried the Vista Public demo on a Mac using Boot Camp. I see a few Mac users asking if anyone would know, and I'm curious too.

Yea, I just started up Vista yesterday. I've already gone through and disabled most of the confirmation boxes that kept popping up. Basically, everytime you would do something as the Administrator, it would ask for confirmation. This is quite frustrating when you are trying to setup an OS for normal use. Now it's the way it should be, "shift+delete"... gone.

I like Vista so far because it reminds me of Jaguar. I liked Jaguar because it reminded me a lot of Linux. Personally, I prefer Mac to Windows but seeing as at home, I play video games, Windows is going to win out everytime. Mac is great for professional audio recording and graphics design but once again, that's a work thing.

Unfortunately, I still can't get SL working. I'll keep trying though.
Stupid GDI error.

-Ravey

Figured I'd post my $0.02 about Vista. While SL did give me some problems at first, I was able to get it to run great! But, I have done some little tricks to try to get it there.

The installation of the software itself went very smooth, just as well as it has always gone on XP. Sofware was downloaded and installed in 5 minutes. The next part came a little bit rough, however.

It seems that SL doesn't support the Catalyst Vista Beta 2 drivers that ATI has put out specifically for Vista. I kept on getting an error stating that I had a "generic" driver on the system. Trouble was, the driver was only about 5 days old LOL. Anyways, for what it's worth, I was able to install the XP drivers for my video card instead of the new Beta 2 drivers that ATI suggests. SL was up and running another 5 minutes later. Whoo-hoo! This, however, did not come at no cost... it seems now that there is an interaction with the power mode drivers, and whenever I want to put my computer into sleep mode, I get the Blue Screen of Death (I can compromise!).

Anyways... it is very possible to get SL going on Vista. You just have to play around with it. And those who aren't technically savvy, I would suggest the wait. I'd be more than happy to help people out with this, just contact me here or in-world!


-SD


My System Specs:
AMD Athlon XP 2200+
1.75GB Ram
250GB SATA
ATI X1300 - 256MB Video Memory

It expires 5/31/2007, according to the installation notes.

-SD

Yeah that was the best thing after 1 year free of there latest os and I know more is to come but damn right now this running better then windows xp. I rather just never play sl again to use vista

woot cheers good to know means 1 year of not playing second life

I have the new intel iMac. Installed Windows on one partition and MacOS on the other. Works flawlessly. SL runs smoother in Windows (the Mac port isn't what it should be), but I spend 90% of my time in MacOS. Every time I boot into Windows, the system tries to help me do something I have no desire to bother with. Makes me a little annoyed.

Installing Windows though was a flashback experience to the wonderful world of DOS. "Press F8 if you agree" LOL. On the Mac it's a button in a window.

meh, I'll just stick with XP till the stable vista comes out and see how everyone likes it. after all ME was a horror upon horrors.