ACLU: Protesters Placed in Terror Files
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Ulrika Zugzwang
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12-10-2005 09:14
dissent <> terrorism The names and licenseplate numbers of about 30 people who protested three years ago in Colorado Springs were put into FBI domestic-terrorism files, the American Civil Liberties Union Foundation of Colorado said Thursday.
The Denver-based ACLU obtained federal documents on a 2002 Colorado Springs protest and a 2003 anti-war rally under the Freedom of Information Act.
ACLU legal director Mark Silverstein said the documents show the FBI’s Joint Terrorism Task Force wastes resources generating files on “nonviolent protest.”
“These documents confirm that the names and license plate numbers of several dozen peaceful protesters who committed no crime are now in a JTTF file marked ‘counterterrorism,’” he said. http://www.gazette.com/display.php?id=1312739&secid=1~Ulrika~
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Ulrika Zugzwang
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12-10-2005 09:16
My favorite quote from the article: “The FBI is unjustifiably treating nonviolent public protest as though it were domestic terrorism,” Silverstein said. “The FBI’s misplaced priorities threaten to deter legitimate criticism of government policy while wasting taxpayer resources that should be directed to investigating real terrorists.” ~Ulrika~
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Dianne Mechanique
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12-10-2005 09:31
From: Ulrika Zugzwang My favorite quote from the article: “The FBI is unjustifiably treating nonviolent public protest as though it were domestic terrorism,” Silverstein said. “The FBI’s misplaced priorities threaten to deter legitimate criticism of government policy while wasting taxpayer resources that should be directed to investigating real terrorists.” ~Ulrika~ They FBI has always done this spying on "left leaning" US citizens, even though in the past such domestic spying was stricly outside of their mandate and continually denied from the President office. One has to figure that if they spent all those resources invesitgating and following people like John Lennon and Ralph Nader in the 70's, (amoung hundreds of other completely harmless innocent US citizens), that they are still doing the same thing today with the much greater resources and leeway availiable to them now and that goes for all the security services not just the FBI. I would bet there are very thick files on pretty much any high profile "left of centre person" in the US security files today and many hundreds of employees working on the collection of the information. American tax dollars at work! |
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Aaron Levy
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12-10-2005 09:48
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Kurgan Asturias
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12-10-2005 10:04
From: Dianne Mechanique They FBI has always done this spying on "left leaning" US citizens... American tax dollars at work! Whoa whoa whoa.... FBI ... spying |
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12-10-2005 10:05
um... ahem!
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Euterpe Roo
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12-10-2005 11:32
ooooooh!! I might now have an FBI file for protesting Cheney's visit to Houston (with my then-toddler strapped to my back) and for participating in the March 2003 rally for peace in downtown Houston and for my membership in Mothers Acting Up (MAU) and for my subscription to Mother Jones!! When do I get to meet Sculley and Mulder? Woooohooooo!
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Ulrika Zugzwang
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12-10-2005 18:36
From: Euterpe Roo ooooooh!! I might now have an FBI file for protesting Cheney's visit to Houston (with my then-toddler strapped to my back) and for participating in the March 2003 rally for peace in downtown Houston and for my membership in Mothers Acting Up (MAU) and for my subscription to Mother Jones!! When do I get to meet Sculley and Mulder? Woooohooooo! My last protest was the September antiwar protest in San Francisco. We brought our one-month-old baby with and went by foot so no license plate numbers were collected that day.  ~Ulrika~
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Dianne Mechanique
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12-10-2005 19:23
From: Euterpe Roo ooooooh!! I might now have an FBI file for protesting Cheney's visit to Houston (with my then-toddler strapped to my back) and for participating in the March 2003 rally for peace in downtown Houston and for my membership in Mothers Acting Up (MAU) and for my subscription to Mother Jones!! When do I get to meet Sculley and Mulder? Woooohooooo! Actually the FBI and other security services are quite lazy, so what I heard is that they go to the easiest available and most persistent form of information they can find. You guessed it... the web. The things we post on internet news groups and lists are the easiest to peruse and coalate and they never get deleted. You can almost be assured if you have ever argued a "left-leaning" or anti US government point of view on the web, and if you have ever used keywords like "anti-capitalism" or some such, that you are already in a file somewhere. It's way easier to track a "virtual" personality than it is to track a real life person and follow them to work etc. Once they figure out who you are in RL, they dont have to come to your house, all they need do is record your every word for future use right off the web, probably less than a few gigs of text files. Certainly there are people hard at work on this kind of surveilance as we speak. |
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Dianne Mechanique
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12-10-2005 19:28
Well exactly, and at that time, any domestic surveilance would have been illegal I think. There is (or was before 9/11) no agency with the mandate to spy domestically AFAIK. Yet we all know it goes on, and we all ignore it. And if this stuff is out in the open, it makes sense that there are entire agencies or at least groups within some of the agencies, that we have never heard of and likely never will. |
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Paolo Portocarrero
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12-10-2005 22:50
From: Ulrika Zugzwang My favorite quote from the article: “The FBI is unjustifiably treating nonviolent public protest as though it were domestic terrorism,” Silverstein said. “The FBI’s misplaced priorities threaten to deter legitimate criticism of government policy while wasting taxpayer resources that should be directed to investigating real terrorists.” ~Ulrika~ Well, m'dear, if you believe all of the conspiracy theorists, 9/11 was a ruse designed to lull the American public into accepting a police state. Mebbe there's some truth in them thar rumors... |
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Malachi Petunia
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12-11-2005 03:02
Good thing I keep my seditious writings in a notebook out of view of the telescreen. I've even put a single hair across the edge of the notebook so I can tell if the thought police have been snooping around.  |
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Shaun Altman
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12-11-2005 04:50
From: Malachi Petunia Good thing I keep my seditious writings in a notebook out of view of the telescreen. I've even put a single hair across the edge of the notebook so I can tell if the thought police have been snooping around. You shouldn't have mentioned this here on the web. You are now on file! |
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Jeffrey Gomez
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12-11-2005 05:05
From: Shaun Altman You shouldn't have mentioned this here on the web. You are now on file!
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12-11-2005 06:00
I made the FBI files back during the reign of Bush I in Dallas when I mistakenly got invited as the president of a local synagogue to Bush speaking to "religious leaders". I guess it took them awhile to figure out that we were a GLBT, etc. synagogue. Most of the members were outside protesting (they brought out the riot police and horses), but my girlfriend and I were inside.  We got thrown out. It was an honor.
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Ulrika Zugzwang
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12-13-2005 12:03
From: Malachi Petunia Good thing I keep my seditious writings in a notebook out of view of the telescreen. I've even put a single hair across the edge of the notebook so I can tell if the thought police have been snooping around. Seditious? Delicious.
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