Music and Evolution
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Introvert Petunia
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12-31-2005 07:05
From: Selador Cellardoor The composer Olivier Messiaen was an ornithologist as well as musician, and would transcribe birdsong into musical notation and incorporate it into his works (quite often with notes about the bird concerned, its appearance and its habits). Thanks for the reference; I need to look into Messiaen a little more. As I'm only familiar with Quatuor pour la fin du temps you might understand why I was a little scared off. 
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Chance Abattoir
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12-31-2005 12:18
From: Introvert Petunia De Kooning's response to being told to being told Siri's identity was "That's a damn talented elephant".
[/indent] In the recent issue of Wired, that is also the issue about alternative fuel sources, there is an article about a mathematician who developed a program that can successfully and accurately authenticate artists' works based on minute stylistic idiosyncracies. Everyone is unique and has their own distinctive twitches, posture, habits, etc- and the program can read them like fingerprints. One interesting side note of the article was that the program found something when examining Jackson Pollock's splatter paintings. They couldn't be achieved by random paint splattering- They are all fractal designs, fractal designs that can only be achieved by leaning the body forward with the arm out in an uncomfortable posture over the canvas (if I remember correctly). The article theorized that perhaps people like his art because they are picking up on the subconscious fractal patterns (I imagine, much like people have subconsciously appeciated the image of a tree placed in the negative symmetrical space between the rocks in the zen garden at Ryoanji Temple in Kyoto for hundreds of years). I bring this up because it is possible that art critics also liked the elephant's paintings because its unique anatomy naturally makes it create subtle patterns that are highly unusual for humans. It is also, of course, possible that the critics are full of shit- but I had often wondered the same about Pollock's critics until I read about the patterns inherent in his works.
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Chance Abattoir
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12-31-2005 12:31
From: Selador Cellardoor I can't imagine now classical music must sound to someone who can only hear the top line of the music, but it's safe to say the result would not sound good.
The good thing is that people can be taught to hear the other lines if they familiarize themselves with the instruments. I currently have trouble separating vocal harmonies of similar timbre, but I'm currently working on that problem by listening to lots of Layne Staley recordings since there are usually vocal harmonies that he does himself or that Jerry Cantrell does (who has a similar range and timbre). ... I can hear that there's a harmony, but I get confused trying to separate the voices. I do not, however, have the same problem listening to piano. It is only human voices. If you want to teach your mom how to separate musical lines really quickly, have her listen to a high quality stereo recording while on acid. Of course, she'll run the risk of emotional trauma and all that, but you can't get something quickly for nothing. 
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Michael Seraph
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12-31-2005 12:39
From: SuezanneC Baskerville Music is sexy to creatures that have evolved an appreciation of music, but not to those who haven't. An early human with no appreciation of music might look at the primitive drummer and grunt to themselves, "What a loser, hitting rocks with sticks instead of doing something useful like capturing something to eat, plus for god's sake, the racket, make it stop! There's no way I would mate with that mental defective!" I'm always entertained by the idea that one day we were all apes in the jungle and the next we were humans inventing music, language and tools. It's much more reasonable to assume that music, language and tools were a part of our ancestors lives well before they evolved into humans, albeit in much less complex forms. As verbal communication expanded, the use of rhythm to aid in cooperative work situations probably became common. And one day some clever ape-human put pretty words and rhythm together. I can imagine at least one scenario where pretty words and rhythm lead to offspring...
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Selador Cellardoor
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12-31-2005 14:51
From: Introvert Petunia Thanks for the reference; I need to look into Messiaen a little more. As I'm only familiar with Quatuor pour la fin du temps you might understand why I was a little scared off.  A good one to start with is the Trois Petites Liturgies.  PS: Or the Turangalila Symphony - if you like things that are OTT
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Jeffrey Gomez
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12-31-2005 16:47
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Spinner Poutine
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01-01-2006 23:39
From: SuezanneC Baskerville I was just listening to a drum solo in a performance by Yes and it struck me - why in the world would evolution produce the ability to perform these extremely complex actions that are not related to anything one does in life other than play the drums?
This circuitry in the brain takes resources, and increasing resource demand is, other things being equal, gonna be bad evolutionwise, I would think.
What use is this skill in the absence of some reason to do it, like enjoying it? But why enjoy something as useless as music? Quite simply, music incites emotion whether it be the beat of a drum in the forest, a bird singing on a wire, a ballad or banging your head. These extremely complex actions are just tools that give one the ability to portray that emotion. Music is not useless 
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Torley Linden
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01-01-2006 23:41
Music can be great for reproduction, really. That's why pornos have music too.
Bow-chikka-wow!
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