I'll never be a good wife

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10-22-2005 03:42
Well that does it ...
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Rose Karuna
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10-22-2005 06:31
My mother accepted that role unquestioningly, as did my father. Now he's dead and she's happy. Interesting observation.... I saw this article and thought it was very insightful in what having to live this way eventually does over time: Retired-husband syndrome makes wives ill in Japan A growing number of women are getting sick when overbearing spouses are around full time By Anthony Faiola The Washington Post Published October 19, 2005 TOKYO -- Sakura Terakawa, 63, describes her four decades of married life in a small urban apartment as a gradual transition from wife to mother to servant. Communication with her husband started with love letters and wooing words under pink cherry blossoms. It devolved over time, she said, into mostly demands for his evening meals and nitpicking over the quality of her housework. So when he came home one afternoon three years ago, beaming, and announced he was ready to retire, Terakawa despaired. "'This is it,' I remember thinking. `I am going to have to divorce him now,'" Terakawa recalled. "It was bad enough that I had to wait on him when he came home from work. But having him around the house all the time was more than I could possibly bear." Concerned about her financial future if she divorced, Terakawa stuck with their marriage--only to become one of an extraordinary number of elderly Japanese women stricken with a disorder that experts here have recently begun diagnosing as retired-husband syndrome, or RHS. Feeling chained to the tradition of older women remaining utterly dedicated to their husbands' well-being, Terakawa said, she devoted herself to her spouse. Retirement cut him off from his longtime office social network, leaving him virtually friendless and her with the strain of filling his empty time. Within a few weeks, she said, he was hardly leaving the house, watching television and reading the newspaper and barking orders at her. He often forbade her to go out with her friends. When he did let her go, Terakawa said, she had to prepare all his meals before leaving. After several months, she developed stomach ulcers, her speech began to slur and rashes broke out around her eyes. When doctors discovered polyps in her throat but could find no medical reason for her sudden burst of ailments, she was referred to a psychiatrist who diagnosed stress-related RHS. Therapy as a solution Terakawa began receiving therapy from Nobuo Kurokawa, a physician who is one of Japan's leading RHS experts. Kurokawa coined the term retired-husband syndrome in a presentation to the Japanese Society of Psychosomatic Medicine in 1991, leading to its use in books, journals and mainstream media here. Confirming Terakawa's account in an interview, Kurokawa said he offered her the same advice he has given numerous other older women in the same position. "Come to therapy," he said. "Then spend as much time as possible away from your husband." In Japan, retirement has become a risky business for many wives, who are finding the stress of their husband's presence at home unendurable. Though after-retirement stress is a common problem in most developed countries as husbands and wives try to balance relationships in their twilight years, analysts say Japan has become extraordinary for myriad reasons--including the fact that one-fifth of Japanese are now over 65, the highest percentage in the world. Even as gender roles have changed for younger people here, with women entering the workforce in record numbers, older Japanese have remained far more rigid. As with most Japanese men of his generation, Terakawa's husband demanded strict obedience from her, she said, even while he spent his life almost entirely apart from her and their three children. He left home for the office just after dawn and stayed out late socializing after work. He even took most of his vacations with colleagues and clients. Those long absences, she said, made his presence around the house after retirement even more jolting. "I had developed my own life, my own way of doing things, in the years when he was never home," Terakawa said. She said she cannot even stand to look at her husband across the dinner table now and sits at an angle so she can stare out a window instead. Kurokawa estimates that up to 60 percent of the wives of retired men may suffer from some degree of RHS. With a record number of Japanese men set to retire--almost 7 million from 2007 to 2009--experts warn that the disorder has the potential to explode. The Japanese boast the longest life span on Earth, yet older Japanese men still cling to the outmoded idea of wives as servile attendants--leaving many elderly women to view their longevity as more of a curse than a blessing. One survey from the Tokyo-based advertising firm Hakuhodo showed that while 85 percent of soon-to-retire husbands are delighted by the idea of retirement, 40 percent of their wives described themselves as "depressed" by the prospect. Tomohisa Kotake, a 66-year-old retired banker, knows the story well. "At first, I was a typical retired Japanese husband--I didn't do anything for myself and asked my wife to serve me," he said. It immediately strained his marriage. Part of the problem, he said, was that his wife still had many female friends, but most of his friends had been work acquaintances. Pushed by his wife, he finally joined one of the more than 3,000 support groups that have recently sprouted up nationwide, aimed at "retraining" retired Japanese men to be more independent and communicative with their wives. Kotake's group--Men in the Kitchen--taught him how to shop, cook and clean for himself. He now does the dishes and cooks for his wife at least once a week. "I will never forget the look of happiness in her eyes the first time I cleaned the house while she was taking a bath," he said. Kotake's wife, Nobuko Kotake, 62, now speaks glowingly of her husband. She said she had given up many outings with female friends to spend more time with him. "By Japanese standards, we are still relatively young even though we are retired," Tomohisa Kotake said. "We have a long life ahead of us. It is better that we spend that time enjoying each other. Doing more around the house is a small price for me to pay." I don't think that it's really that he started doing work around the house that changed their relationship. I think it's that he started seeing his wife as a partner and equal instead of as a servant. Big difference there. I think that it's always more difficult for the partner who has been tasked with household "on-going" maintenance to stay equal in the power balance. A pay check is something that is tangible, if you physically build something or repair something, that is tangible. You can always point to it and say I did that. If you change a diaper, no matter how many you change, no one will ever know unless you don't do it. You can't exactly point to a mountain of them and say "I changed all those". (or at least I hope you can't ![]() . _____________________
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Lecktor Hannibal
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10-22-2005 07:30
He should cut off her feet. She's not nearly close enough to the stove. And she's got shoes on wtf ??
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10-22-2005 08:23
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Zapoteth Zaius
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10-22-2005 08:49
I just printed this out and put it on the refrigerator...wifey hasn't seen it yet. I'll report back when she does. ![]() Poor Schwan.. So young.. _____________________
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10-22-2005 09:10
I think this was real ... ![]() Wow 1950's D/s! _____________________
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Seldon Metropolitan
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10-22-2005 09:30
"be a little gay"???
wow thats progressive _____________________
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Juro Kothari
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10-22-2005 09:54
Poor Schwan.. So young.. And so dead, depending on her temper. _____________________
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Torley Linden
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10-22-2005 09:59
"be a little gay"??? wow thats progressive What crax me up is the part that follows it, namely "Be a little gay AND MORE INTERESTING FOR HIM..." Emphasis mine. Haha... I have no doubt being gay makes it more interesting, but how much is "a little gay"? ![]() _____________________
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Eboni Khan
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10-22-2005 10:03
If you change a diaper, no matter how many you change, no one will ever know unless you don't do it. You can't exactly point to a mountain of them and say "I changed all those". (or at least I hope you can't ![]() . I think this all depends on values. There are some people that value home and family above all, these people will see the "drufge" work for what it is while others will see it as drudge work. We currently live in a society that places no value on home, family, or children. A country that is will to spend more money so old people can cheat death one more day will a variety of synthetic drugs than educate a child (the test scores in the US although improved by NCLB are still dismal). I am not surprised so many people find this horrible as divorce rates in America have skyrocketed and feminism has proven to be a failure. The average male is not taught to cherish the mother of his children, when that bitch isn't working right anymore you can just trade up and get another one and society doesn't even care, it is perfectly acceptable to marry and divorce over and over. Women aren't taught to value a strong family unit and what it takes to keep a household and a marriage alone. Regardless of what Cosmo says, the sex is not going to keep him (there is always some hoe who can shoot pingpong balls out better than you, and has the suction of a hoover). The problem seems to be getting worse with each generation. |
Dark Korvin
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10-22-2005 11:59
Well, I've never had a wife, but I remember those married men that would go drinking with us till 6AM in the Army. The few times I was the unlucky sober one, I'd have to drive them home, or sometimes to work. I remember thinking about how these guys party every night, and wonder when their wives get time to do anything with 2-3 kids to watch all the time. Doesn't quite seem a fair thing to me. The guy works 8 hours than parties the rest of the time. The woman works 24 hours, and is supposed to be all about the man when he comes back from partying? I honestly don't know why women in today's modern world still put up with stupid stuff like this.
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ZsuZsanna Raven
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10-22-2005 12:03
...snip... Regardless of what Cosmo says, the sex is not going to keep him (there is always some hoe who can shoot pingpong balls out better than you, and has the suction of a hoover). The problem seems to be getting worse with each generation. Quote of the Day!!! _____________________
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Nimue Galatea
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10-23-2005 12:30
Marriages are formed on expectations and though you shouldn't *force* someone to do something, if they don't fulfill your established expectations then you can always leave them or coerce them (in the threatening to leave them sense). Umm, I disagree?... If I'm married and can't work yet because of anxiety, does that mean my spouse should leave me? And wouldn't threatening to leave be like an ultimatum, which is a big no-no in relationships? BTW - 1950's housewife is making a comeback! Book: Happy Housewives. Published: 2005 |
Zephria Zapata
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10-23-2005 12:42
LOL...!!! i flunk *Big* time .... Im a Mom not a maid ....Kids clean up there own messes ... i didnt do it .
The Sink full of dishes in the sink i woke up to i dint see them there last night when i went to bed ... Some one else will clean it .... *Smiles* |
Kevn Klein
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10-23-2005 12:49
Women's lib fixed everything, now instead of doing everything in the home, the woman only has to work outside the home TOO! Big gain.. woohoo!
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Zephria Zapata
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10-23-2005 13:07
*Smiles* at Kevin ... But a after thought if a husband wants a wife to stay at home with out a out side job the husband should give them .. XX.XX amount of dallors .. instead of the women having to ask for it it should be just given to them .
A man may say the house is his caslte but who cleans it ... I say The home is the womens caslte ... *Smiles* |
Malachi Petunia
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10-23-2005 13:07
My how utterly neolithic of you. Oh, wait, there is no such thing as Neolithic, I guess that just makes you a bigot.
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Euterpe Roo
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10-23-2005 18:21
feminism has proven to be a failure I hope to high heaven that this statement is false or meant in jest. I am assuming, of course, that you equate the Women's Rights Movement with Feminism. If that is the case, feminism has not failed--you and I can vote, enter a library, learn about and obtain birth control, play collegiate sports, enroll in any public institution of higher learning (except The Citadel), and/or legally protect ourselves from spousal abuse. Granted, feminism has a great distance yet to go, but these rights have been afforded us by our mothers' and grandmothers' struggles. Women *and* men now have a choice (barring economic necessity)--each individual can choose whether child-rearing and/or household work is what she or he wants to do. This choice (and many others) was brought to you by, you guessed it. . . . _____________________
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Cartridge Partridge
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10-26-2005 03:28
Well that does it ... I'll never be a good wife ![]() That is not up to you to tell. I can't see any better candidate, so far... ![]() |
Schmophitt Neruda
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10-26-2005 08:27
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Juro Kothari
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10-26-2005 10:53
Women's lib fixed everything, now instead of doing everything in the home, the woman only has to work outside the home TOO! Big gain.. woohoo! Kevn, maybe you missed the memo, but part of that deal is that men are to take up and share household work. _____________________
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Cartridge Partridge
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10-26-2005 13:36
I just printed this out and put it on the refrigerator...wifey hasn't seen it yet. I'll report back when she does. ![]() Uh, did anybody hear of him after that? It's been several days now... |
Juro Kothari
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10-26-2005 13:44
Uh, did anybody hear of him after that? It's been several days now... IRIC, he's in FL and they are w/o elecrtricity due to Wilma. _____________________
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Eboni Khan
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10-29-2005 02:19
I hope to high heaven that this statement is false or meant in jest. I am assuming, of course, that you equate the Women's Rights Movement with Feminism. If that is the case, feminism has not failed--you and I can vote, enter a library, learn about and obtain birth control, play collegiate sports, enroll in any public institution of higher learning (except The Citadel), and/or legally protect ourselves from spousal abuse. Granted, feminism has a great distance yet to go, but these rights have been afforded us by our mothers' and grandmothers' struggles. Women *and* men now have a choice (barring economic necessity)--each individual can choose whether child-rearing and/or household work is what she or he wants to do. This choice (and many others) was brought to you by, you guessed it. . . . No feminism in my opinion has been a failure. I can't believe you used birth control as an example of the greatness of feminism when birth control is still a joke. My Grandmother did almost everything you listed as a black woman in the 1930s and she went to a major university for undergrad and grad. The womens movement, which was largely racist and excluded minority females to advance the agenda a middle class white females is not something I hold in the highest esteem. It has benefit a selected group greatly and others almost not at all. Feminism, the womens movement and the failures and broken promises of both are really another topic all together. |