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Neehai Zapata
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10-10-2005 10:30
http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1001263321

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After news broke that local law enforcement officials were investigating complaints that Louis Beres, longtime chairman of the Christian Coalition of Oregon, had molested three female family members when they were pre-teens, The Oregonian in Portland went out and interviewed Beres' family members.

Two told reporters that Beres, indeed, had molested them. All three said they have been interviewed for several hours by detectives.

"I was molested," said one of the women, now in her early 50s. "I was victimized, and I've suffered all my life for it. I'm still afraid to be in the same room with [Beres]."

The coalition led by Beres, 70, champions socially conservative candidates and causes. Its Web site describes the group as "Oregon's leading grassroots organization defending our Godly heritage." The group opposes abortion, gay rights, and stem cell research. It is affiliated with the national Christian Coalition, which was founded in 1989 by television evangelist Pat Robertson.


Now I know not all Christians are child molesing heathens, just the bad ones. At some point though, can I just start telling all these homophobic assholes to leave me and their children alone and go fuck themselves?
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10-10-2005 10:38
When it can be demonstrated that:

(a) all Christians are like that, and

(b) fucking themselves is a cure.
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10-10-2005 10:41
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When it can be demonstrated that:

(a) all Christians are like that, and

I don't have that kind of time.
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10-10-2005 10:51
From: Seth Kanahoe
When it can be demonstrated that:

(a) all Christians are like that, and

(b) fucking themselves is a cure.


I'd say something that might start a flame war... but, instead...
God bless you, buddy.
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10-10-2005 17:08
It's all those non-Christians that do all those things that really gets my dander up. Now I know, not ALL non-Christians do those things, just the bad ones, but even so...

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10-10-2005 18:38
I think its more along the lines of when you tell others to do something in the name of God, you'd better keep your own nose pretty clean. Something about attending to the beam in your own goddamned eye, before you tell the gays they can't marry. Out of their own choice, they set themselves up as insanely hypocritical, if not downright evil to be hiding behind something that we're all supposed to aspire to.

So yeah, Coco, I think its their own damned fault that we dislike Christians like them.
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10-10-2005 18:59
/me molests neehai
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10-10-2005 19:56
Well... hold the non-Christians to the same standard if you wanna slander the name of Christianity. How many idiot non-christians do these things too?

Point being, Christian or not, child molestation is sick sick sick no matter who did it. It is not a question of Christianity, which strongly opposes such action, it is a question of the lack of personal ethics by individuals, Christians and non-Christians alike.

How bout giving it a rest already. What is this... the 100th post like this you have started? This is tired and old. I could post just as many of these about non-Christian criminals but what would the point of that be?

Oh... and btw... just bc someone says that they are a Christian doesn't mean that they really are. Who knows what this jerks beliefs are. Judging by his actions, I would say he certainly is not a follower of the teachings of Jesus Christ.
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Ulrika Zugzwang
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10-10-2005 20:34
What does the "H" in "Jesus H. Christ" stand for? Hypocrite!

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10-10-2005 22:35
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10-10-2005 22:41
From: Ulrika Zugzwang
What does the "H" in "Jesus H. Christ" stand for? Hypocrite!

~Ulrika~


I used to think it stood for "Horus". Really. I don't know where the source of this was, but it was a story... somewhere.
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10-10-2005 22:44
From: Torley Torgeson
I used to think it stood for "Horus". Really. I don't know where the source of this was, but it was a story... somewhere.


I didn't know you were a member of the Lodge, Torley.
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10-10-2005 22:48
From: Chance Abattoir
I didn't know you were a member of the Lodge, Torley.


I'm a member of a lot of things. :)
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10-10-2005 22:50
From: Torley Torgeson
I'm a member of a lot of things. :)


Haha. You're not fooling anyone with your pyramid with the light shooting out in rays from the top.
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10-10-2005 22:55
Must not be the Moose Lodge.
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10-10-2005 23:14
lets face it, the world is going to hell in a handbasket because of greed and abuse of power in religions, and in my opinion the most glaringingly obvious insult to Christianity (I am not one btw but I know some good ones) is the catholic priests and the bishops/cardinals who allowed them to continue to molest children and that one scumbag cardinal who got promoted to help with the dead popes ceremony even though he shuffled child molestor priests around instead of banishing them to jail or some remote island. Organised religion is bigger than the law against molesting children, the facts prove this. I spit on them and curse them to their own hell. If you can't follow your own rules then fuck off is what I say!
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10-10-2005 23:14
frustrum :p

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10-10-2005 23:20
Oh, I wiki'd teh JHC thing:

Makes sense to me. People see a Jesus monogram and go "hey, Jesus had a middle name?"

My favorite though was "Our Father, who art in Heaven, Harold be thy name..."
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10-11-2005 00:04
From: Daz Honey
lets face it, the world is going to hell in a handbasket

Isn't the world ALWAYS going to hell in a handbasket? It's such a boring point now. Please don't make it anymore because it's depressing to look around and realize that Hell isn't half as cool as all the album covers made it out to be.
From: Daz Honey
catholic priests and the bishops/cardinals who allowed them to continue to molest children and that one scumbag cardinal who got promoted to help with the dead popes ceremony even though he shuffled child molestor priests around instead of banishing them to jail or some remote island.

Pedoph Isle? Who wants to play Adam Carolla?
From: Daz Honey
Organised religion is bigger than the law against molesting children, the facts prove this.

I defy you to prove this.

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10-11-2005 00:55
From: Chance Abattoir
Isn't the world ALWAYS going to hell in a handbasket? It's such a boring point now. Please don't make it anymore because it's depressing to look around and realize that Hell isn't half as cool as all the album covers made it out to be.

(daz replies) hey, it's a forum I am allowed to make my point as I see fit! you are right, the world is always going to hell in a handbasket but even more so with religious nuts that have weapons of mass destruction.

Pedoph Isle? Who wants to play Adam Carolla? (daz replies) eh? who?

I defy you to prove this. (daz replies) hello, the cardinal who allowed child molesting priests to be shuffled around and continue their evil GOT PROMOTED and lives in the HOLY CITY not in a rank dungeon where we would normally expect such scum to end up. what more proof do you want? did the FBI investigate the catholic church as they would say a school that allowed molesting to go on after paying millions to keep it quiet? no, they kept up the charade that they were doing good deeds for years while cultivating a safe-haven for sexually repressed people who didn't want a real job and that is sick and quite frankly if you are making light of this I feel sorry for you as you are trying to make it go away but it won't until the problem is solved.

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ok so i replied within the quote
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hmmm...
10-11-2005 02:03
a few very valid points regarding evil conceiled under the cloth of god; very little expressed in the way of proving much validity to 'good done in the name of a christian god' for the betterment of all humanity... (sorry; callin' it as i see it, even though i have the following murky windshield to view through...)

to be perfectly personal about it, my own mother is a chronic klepto for restaurant salt/pepper shakers + extra condiment packets, as much as her purse can fit (funny; she's never worked a day in her life, yet i spend parts of my day now in a part-time job replacing said missing condiment dispencers taken by such folks); my father... well, my father used to like to yell "god doesn't like you" a lot, when something i said displeased him (these infractions of mine being "unchristian thought crimes" - i.e., asking childlike questions, stating childlike opinions).

i could not help but grow up with the perception that these "christians" -had- to attend church every sunday, plus wednesdays for adult seminars, plus saturdays for church administrative meetings, because -they have no memory retention.-

now, i'd hardly call my parents 'evil'... but most folks probably wouldn't either. petty as it sounds, this is the field upon which Evil is sown - through their own oddball seflishness; through complicit sedation; through ratings-driven mass media for the soft-headed; through elections-via-manipulation.

so what can the compost heap of Evil be referred to as??
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10-11-2005 02:07
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Well... hold the non-Christians to the same standard if you wanna slander the name of Christianity. How many idiot non-christians do these things too?

Point being, Christian or not, child molestation is sick sick sick no matter who did it. It is not a question of Christianity, which strongly opposes such action, it is a question of the lack of personal ethics by individuals, Christians and non-Christians alike.

How bout giving it a rest already. What is this... the 100th post like this you have started? This is tired and old. I could post just as many of these about non-Christian criminals but what would the point of that be?

Oh... and btw... just bc someone says that they are a Christian doesn't mean that they really are. Who knows what this jerks beliefs are. Judging by his actions, I would say he certainly is not a follower of the teachings of Jesus Christ.

I think we should hold non-Christians to the same standard. I think everyone agrees that child molestation is a bad thing.

I won't give it a rest. Speaking out against religious leaders who molest children is an issue I won't be silent about. Just because "other people do it" doesn't make it acceptable. Given what should happen to this man, a small post on a message board is the least I can do.

100th post I have started about what? I don't start them for no reason. I had no intention when I woke up to start a post about the leader of the Christian Coalition (one of themost powerful Christian lobbying groups in the country) molesting children. My post was merely a product of his actions. If the leader fo the Christian Coalition didn't molest children, I wouldn't have had anything to post.

This person didn't just say he was a Christian. He was the leader of the Christian Coalition and judged others from his post. If I'm the leader of the Big Dick Club, then there is a reasonable expectation that I will have a big dick. The same is true in this situation.

Most importantly, I never attacked Christianity just the child molesting fuckhead acting as the leader. You can defend him if you want, but I think it is revolting.
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10-11-2005 02:22
I've know some wonderfull Christians, kind, intelligent and loving. Their religion has given them structure and friends and a decent set of rules to live their life in. I love those people. If I had a question about their faith they would explain as best they could and always told me that God loved me too, I was not excluded even though I had not found the path they belived was right. I have nothing but love and respect for those people.

I will not, however, kow-tow to people who shove their religion in my face, they claim to be going to heaven and I will burn in hell, that's insulting enough but to try and legally make their religion something I have to follow will not stand with me. If I choose to follow that religion I should be allowed to UNLESS that religion is harmfull to society, well it's getting to the point where religion IS getting harmfull to society. The catholic church has harmed children and is not being held accountable. That's a fact.
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10-11-2005 02:25
From: Neehai Zapata
I think we should hold non-Christians to the same standard. I think everyone agrees that child molestation is a bad thing.

I won't give it a rest. Speaking out against religious leaders who molest children is an issue I won't be silent about. Just because "other people do it" doesn't make it acceptable. Given what should happen to this man, a small post on a message board is the least I can do.

100th post I have started about what? I don't start them for no reason. I had no intention when I woke up to start a post about the leader of the Christian Coalition (one of themost powerful Christian lobbying groups in the country) molesting children. My post was merely a product of his actions. If the leader fo the Christian Coalition didn't molest children, I wouldn't have had anything to post.

This person didn't just say he was a Christian. He was the leader of the Christian Coalition and judged others from his post. If I'm the leader of the Big Dick Club, then there is a reasonable expectation that I will have a big dick. The same is true in this situation.

Most importantly, I never attacked Christianity just the child molesting fuckhead acting as the leader. You can defend him if you want, but I think it is revolting.


right on, they win if we shut up. I will never shut up about the catholic church (for one example) until it fixes it's problems and we do not have to look at priests with suspicion anymore.
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10-11-2005 02:36
in that it -is- an important and valid hypocrisy to attack, as it's used all the time in movies... oddly, had two rather different movies immediately come to mind that have used this dichotomy...

1) "ladyhawke": the wolf-hunter hired by the priest, and

2) "robocop": clarence bodeger, hired by dick jones. (though "richard" was not positioned as "christian", but a presumed "upstanding citizen" as a proven corporate leader, at least up 'till that point.)

point being, that those susceptible to power (and both positions are demostrable in some form through economic power - no money, no power) - the weak-minded, the impoverished - are at the bidding of the powerful. and, funny enough, those who -are- weak -seek out- the powerful to lead them... 'cuz they're lost; they're confused; they don't know what to do with their lives, and they -need guidance.- but they're just -too damn dumb- to find the right people... they like to -think- that they know who to trust, because -they wish they really knew- who to trust...

they're -willing to take people at face-value,- to -believe what they say,- to -believe them when they call themselves christian,- because it -validates everything they wish they believe about themselves.-

there's this bad loophole in religion, where it acknowledges -how much a sinner- they think they are, which lets them continue with their petty lil' crimes... things they know don't hurt anybody within two, three degrees of themselves. but eventually, it hurts somebody... no matter how petty it is. and no matter what, it seems the goal of all these belief systems is to -keep them feeling powerless.-

for example, it seems roundly acknowledged by those 'in the know' how bad walmart is to the american economy, even to those 'righteous christian americans' that buying all these goods made in 'godless china' must be bad for our country. (i don't wish to sound like i'm personally slagging china - i believe the economy is 'fair game', just like - uh, 'virtual land' is in sl). but resoundingly, you'll hear these, what, 100, 150 million american walmart shoppers stand up in one voice, whining, "yeah, but what can -i- do about it??"

so blind to how big they are. so blind to how -many- they are. continually powerless, because they continually, willingly abdicate their own power.

y'vote with your money. most politicians couldn't care less how you vote every two/four years... they all have stocks, other jobs in these industries. politics is just a 'weekend hobby' for them, as they hope to stroke their stocks in their direction. even if it's out of america's boundaries, to other country's banks. they don't care. they got theirs... you get yours.

that's all that western religion has become. that's what even al-queda-ish radical islam has over american christianity... like in cronenberg's 'videodrome'... 'because it has something that you don't have, max. it has a -philosophy.'

sorry; getting waaaay too depressing now. i must go get some sleep and get back to work tomorrow. :)
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