Since we're diving into touchy topics...

I think it was shortly after my birth, if I can remember correctly, I cried and begged them to stop but they didn't. They wouldn't listen to me cuz I was just a kid. It hurt like hell

True enough. However, studies suggest that roughly 0.2% of all circumcisions result in complications ranging from excessive bleeding to massive infection to loss of significant portions of the penis. That rate (and the consequences of such complications) seems unacceptably high for elective cosmetic surgery performed on an infant.

I like exposing my glands all the time..err..having them exposed..well..I mean..nm..

Many people have had it removed later in life for one reason or another and attest to this. Also, some people (Like, thankfully, myself) had a poorly performed one... They only took a part of the forskin. I can definetly say from personaly experience I wish they had left the whole thing.[/QUOTE]



There's a similar arguement for Female Genital Mutilation.

Yet, somehow, when it's done to women, it's a major human rights issue, and Amnesty International gets involved, among other orginzations. When it's done to guy, "don't worry about it", you can "still pee with it"? Granted, the risk of health complications later in life is great for the female thing (It is, granted, a worse procedure in pretty much all respects)... But it is a big deal.

And, Paolo, there are a rather alarming number of *verified* cases of circumcisions getting botched and leading to some rather horrific results. For a procedure that serves little practical purpose in the modern age, that's not tollerable, IMO.

Related side-story...

We were discussion in a cultural studies class the concept of tribal branding and scarring, and how it's making a resurgence in modern culture. Almost the universal opinion in the class was "how barbaric". When the professor asked them how many people thought circumcism was acceptable (Same class, a few minutes later to hide the point he was making), almost every one of them said they thought it was.

Having it removed later in life would not have the same effect on sensitivity. The main cause of damage to sensitivity, aside from nerve damage, is the lack of protection of the glans, which then rub against your clothing. Obviously the effect would be much more pronounced if you had a circumcision at birth than later in life.

Depends on how much later... Teens to twenties would still give plenty of time in life for the cloth-rubbing to come into play.

*shrug*

Just checking in on the State of the Dick here.

I know of a botched circumcision; it happened some years ago and was done by the same gyne group I was going to at the time - caused a huge stir here in Atlanta. Apparently they burned off the foreskin, but burned off a whole bunch more than that. I remember "burned off" though I was not aware of any burning in this procedure - maybe it was a laser or something that cut too far.

But this does happen, and when it happens to you, the statistics don't matter much. On the other hand, far be it from me to campaign against a procedure that nearly always is flawless. Maybe I would campaign against the method those doctors used.

coco

P.S. Clitoridectomy is a whole other thing.

In scope, yes.

Both, however, are useless procedures that have potential for long-term consequences to the person they are performed on, done without the person's consent, in the name of a religious and cultural tradition.

I'm still just trying to figure out if the OP wants to dive into and/or touch the foreskin that I don't have.

Yes it is - that is the removal of an entire portion of the clitoris. A clitoridotomy is the equivalent of male circumcision - it is the removal of the hood over the clitoris. Actually, interestingly enough, it is something women actually want now, as it supposedly increases sexual pleasure in some women. The point is it was a practice born from religious tradition, and also under the guise of hygiene. Like circumcision, it is completely medically unnecessary. Unlike male circumcision, it is very rarely performed on infants.

I would argue that there is no completely safe surgical procedure, and that efficacy is largely dependent upon the skill and steady-handedness of the practitioner. In the case of a bris, the procedure is often performed by a Rabbi. I would personally prefer to have a physician perform the actual circumcision.

As for an "alarming" incidence of medical complications related to circumcision, the only statistic I've seen quoted is 0.2%. True, it doesn't matter if it's YOUR willy. I'm just saying that the grandstanding going on, here, is a bit over the top.

No more so than grandstanding that it is your right to decide to remove the skin from it as a parent. You are perfectly fine about not having yours, but what about those people who aren't? They can't undo the procedure, and they had no choice in the matter. It is odd to force this upon children for any reason, and just saying it is "religious tradition" is no great justification either. Stoning is also religious tradition.

Let's both get off of our high horses, shall we? And they say we're the drama kings.

BRING IT!

Ewwwww! It's already sensitive enough, I think!

coco

oh good grief.....don't tell me all that talk of "attachment culling" in the general thread hasn't gone a bit far in people's minds.

carry on gentlemen....

yeah yeah who cares they wanna hack their baby boys thingy let em.

We complain bout a harmless thing like circumcission. Wat about mofo abortion? eh?

1million babies die everyday just cause its their mamas choice to murder their kids.

their mamas reason: Its my body i should be allowed to commit murder!

I'm all for that tooo! Matter of fact I rejoice everyday another school gets shot up.

Die mofos Die!

Love it. Why? We pretty ourselves up to be better than others, but 1 mofoin' day we in a bad mood and our true colors are revealed. Truth is no1 is innocent. We are all stupid. And We are Jealous of each other whether we like each other or hate each other. We ugly.

So whats my mofoin' point? Who cares! I sure dont I just like stating truth and see yall whine about how truthful I am and yall decieve yaselfs. It's all funny to me.

CPU Utilization on the Drama Server is now pegged...

Shepp is back.

Whine, Whine...wine?

Means they used a Bovie Blade set too high. A bovie is an electrocautery cutting device. It cauterizes as you cut. If it's set too high the electrical burn can cause quite a bit of damage to the surrounding tissue. Damage that isn't neccessarily visible right away.

Ooohoho you're off to a fantastic start here on the SL boards.

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From a highly reputable brit paper (NOT)

PETE TO SUE HIS SURGEON OVER TROUT POUT

BIG Brother's Pete Burns is suing his plastic surgeon... and we can see why.

Pete, 46, has had a cocktail of surgery and recently had another lip op - but hates his new trout pout.

The Dead or Alive frontman claims that rather than collagen, his lips are plumped up with foreskin from circumcised babies. He says: "It is not collagen - it is far more controversial than that."

Now he is taking legal action after his op, saying: "I find no humour in what happened to me."

As well as lip-plumping, Pete has had his nose done four times, his face peeled and his skin botoxed.

and for your viewing pleasure

This falls under the category of WAY TOO MUCH INFORMATION.