Fake Clinics.

http://www.ppaction.org/campaign/fake_clinics2_hp

This was probably started as a thread already, but I don't care. It is disturbing and revolting.

Planned Parenthood, I would sincerely hope, is assembling a phalanx of attorneys. There seem to be several legal issues if the press release is not exaggerated.



Because the young woman is a minor, only her custodial parent would be needed to give consent for a major (i.e. invasive) medical proceedure (unless the co-parent or non-custodial parent had requested not to be party to the decision-making process, he would have had to have been notified prior to the proceedure by the custodial parent).

With the consent of a parent, medical information was confided (i.e. the fact that the young woman was pregnant) to the "professionals" at the fake clinic. If the fake clinic actually does perform medical proceedures (i.e. any OB/GYN service) that require a medical professional, then they are possibly violating medical information disclosure laws.

If there is not a medical professional employed by the fake clinic, at the very least, it seems that criminal charges of harrassment, at the very least, are applicable.

This is the worst kind of treachery.

Been around for years and years.

I had a friend who went to one. She took a vial of her pregnant sister's pee. The "clinic" told her not to worry, she wasn't pregnant and didn't have to worry about aborotion, but had her sit through prolife movies for good measure.

Shameless.

I can't believe the lengths to which some people will go in order to save a child's life. It's sickening, I tell you!

Welcome to the 21'st century , where women DO have the choice. Whether or not you approve is irrelevant as it is not your life , your belly or your future at stake.

The only person/people who's opinion in such an important decision really counts are those of the person/people directly involved. And I dont mean friends and classmates either. I mean the woman and possibly her partner (depending on the situation).

I can understand some people have negative feelings about abortions out of religious grounds and I respect that. However that said it still is NOT their call to make.

Giving false information like this to the pregnant girl/woman is wrong in so many ways.

Hey, I am agreeing with you here. I also think it's not my business if a man beats his wife or kids. It's not my business if people get raped. As long as is doesnt affect me personally, I don't care. Kill, rape, pillage, just leave me alone!

That wasn't what you said to me last night

ZOMG
sexual harrassmemt!!!!!

Shhhh!

I was going to make a parody post about what someone with your ideology would have said; thanks for saving me the trouble, Der.

I hope that when you seek the services of a proctologist that you don't wind up in an office that says they help with hemmoroids but instead ritually sacricifice you and sell your organs - that would really suck.

Damn, youve outed my rl business

These clinics have been around forever, it's good however that someone is going after the false advertising aspect of it.

I support the legislation being talked about in that article. It prohibits firms from advertising as "aborting providers" if they don't actually "provide abortions". Which, to me is a no-brainer, and the clinics taking advantage of this loophole should have to change.

Many of the "fake" clinics are false advertising. But many are not.

The ones in my area advertise as abortion alternative providers, and, despite this article's suggestion that none are staffed by medical professionals, the ones near me certainly are, by several, nurses and a few psychologists.

Yeah, they should stop the false advertising, but no one is forced to use their services. The one near me has more patients in a year than the Planned Parenthood in town.

Someone at Planned Parenthood sat down recently and looked at the national trend towards abortion alternatives (abortion rates are on the decline in most states), and said, "Hey, this affects our bottom line. We need to shut some of these places down."

So I'm guessing you support men being able to eithe drop financial support, or the fathers consent being given for an abotrtion too? Its his future, his life, at stake too.

edit: The harassment needs to be addressed, but they have the right to run a prolife clinic that offers alternatives to abortions and excluding abortions. Just because prochoice groups disagree doesn't make their right any less.

Over here, as abortions are performed in hospital premises, and not in small specialised clinics, generally, so its not a situation we get here, thankfully.
Hovever there are newspaper ads in classified columns offering abortion and family planning advice, which are in fact religious groups who will attempt to dissuade a woman considering abortion. Not as bad a problem, but dubious nonetheless.

With regards to the men being able to drop financial support ... in many cases where abortion is decided there is no support in any way shape or form to begin with (emotional or financial) so there would be nothing to drop. Should the decision be made that the child is going to be born then imho that does mean obligations ... and not just for the mother but also for the biological father of the child. I agree with you on the part that it is his future too. That being said it can't be a case that the mother is supposed to support the child on her own. After all it did take 2 to make the child to begin with

With regards to a clinic being prolife , that is not something I object to , see my previous post. I can and do respect people for their beliefs. However what I do have a problem with is intentional misinformation to force your viewpoints on people. Or to simply remove a right by providing false , or incomplete , information.

If it takes 2 to make the child it can take 2 to get rid of the child

Dont start with 'he could have kept it in his pants' either.

Nowhere in any of my posts did I say it would not take 2 to decide that. I said in my posts that these clinics do not have the right to make the choice as it is not their future at stake.

Its not the planned parenthoods future at stake either. What I'm saying is BOTH parents should be required to sign off for an abortion.

Try reading the whole post rather then a "keyword skim" ... the issue is that those clinics force (or rather take away) the choice without knowledge of the mother (and possible father).

Not all abortion cases are initiated solely on the initiative of the mother. There are many cases where the biological father does know about the plan and agrees with the decision as well.

If a couple like that , who decided for whatever reason , to have an abortion and they'd go to such a clinic then that clinic would basicly go "umm no we're not having that , you're getting the baby you just dont know about it yet" ... that is the whole discussion.

About the clinic making the decision rather then doing what they should be doing ... informing.

One of the things mentioned in the article is that it was a 17 year old girl, her mom, AND her boyfriend -- bravo to him for participating and supporting her.

If these clinics advertised as a 'family planning' I see no issue with them. They can't harass people like the article claims, nor advertise as doing abortions. But they CAN advertise as family planning.

So boyfriend agreeing with girlfiend on abortion = good

boyfriend disagreeing with girlfriend on abortion = ?

Lets not have double standards here.

No, it's not saving a child's life. Why do you pretend it is? Is it because you don't even have enough faith in your own beliefs to argue them in a way that doesn't involve falsehood?

Since you seem intent on _not_ reading the entire posts , yet drawing conclusions anyway , I'm going to spell it for you again

Whether or not abortion is good , bad or not is not the discussion here. The discussion , as mentioned numerous times , is that it is never ever under any circumstance a clinic's place to make or force such a decision.

I believe you misplaced something Jenny, speaking of skimming.