Atheists who attack atheists

I don't believe you

No, I'm sorry. I don't believe it. Unless you can provide further evidence.

Edit: By the way, is this signature okay? I honestly don't know whether it fits the guidelines, but I see other people advertising their stores and stuff in their sigs, so ...?

Some atheists? Try the vast majority (in my experience), and it's not a recent affectation. Atheism means only "not a theist" and nothing more. You're basing the above on an incorrect stereotype of atheism and it's offensive. I guess your position is "don't tell other people what they believe, unless they're an atheist and then it's okay." I'm trying to enlighten people so they don't continue to insult people inadvertantly. Atheists have been so badly demonized that people who are in fact atheists invented a new word for themselves just to escape the stigma. As a result, modern day agnostics look at atheists as holding a different position than they do when in fact their positions are exactly the same in most cases. I don't find that okay, and do, in fact, think it's important.

No, I don't believe I can. Unbelievable!

if we all lived in dialectic like a 2000 year old fossil.

despite any given definitions, i would simply disavow being an athiest to not be associated with the evangelical athiests.

the agnostic tradition is as old as the earth

I personally find that to be disingenous. I'm not a theist. It's as simple as that. I feel no need to equivocate on that point.

"As a philosopher, if I were speaking to a purely philosophic audience I should say that I ought to describe myself as an Agnostic, because I do not think that there is a conclusive argument by which one can prove that there is not a God.

On the other hand, if I am to convey the right impression to the ordinary man in the street I think I ought to say that I am an Atheist, because when I say that I cannot prove that there is not a God, I ought to add equally that I cannot prove that there are not the Homeric gods." ~ Bertrand Russel

Meanwhile atheists have expanded the meaning of atheism to the point of near-meaninglessness. I clearly do not share the same disbelief in the spiritual as you, but I don't have faith that there is a single all-powerful Creator. I therefore consider myself agnostic. I don't have an intellectual or moral investment based on one condition or the other.

However, by your definition of atheism, I would be one. What's this all about, then? Solidarity, brother? Political alignment?

can't you tell? he loves you

It's about honesty.

Honestly, I'm agnostic. If I called myself atheist, this would give people the impression I had no religious beliefs of any kind, which would be wildly incorrect. However, using this term, agnostic, I think people would more quickly get a somewhat accurate shorthand for my feelings about God and spirituality.

That's all it boils down to for me.

Based on your posts here, saying you're atheist would give a reasonably accurate impression about your feelings, wouldn't it?

There is a difference between where we are coming from, in that I have had many experiences that I attribute to a spiritual aspect of reality. It's not a complete either/or for me, it's scales leaning one way or the other as new bits of data are added.

enlighten yourself with a dictionary definition:

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?r=2&q=atheist
a·the·ist ( P ) Pronunciation Key (th-st)
n. One who disbelieves or denies the existence of God or gods.

atheist
adj : related to or characterized by or given to atheism; "atheist leanings" [syn: atheistic, atheistical] n : someone who denies the existence of god

http://webster.com/dictionary/atheism

Main Entry: athe·ism
Pronunciation: 'A-thE-"i-z&m
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle French athéisme, from athée atheist, from Greek atheos godless, from a- + theos god
1 archaic : UNGODLINESS, WICKEDNESS
2 a : a disbelief in the existence of deity b : the doctrine that there is no deity


http://www.askoxford.com/concise_oed/atheism?view=uk

/aythi-iz’m/
• noun the belief that God does not exist.
— DERIVATIVES atheist noun atheistic adjective atheistical adjective.
— ORIGIN from Greek a- ‘without’ + theos ‘god’.


in fact no, the positions are not exactly the same. they are entirely different.

atheism is not a passive belief system.

of course i mean evangelical metaphorically. i hope the wikipedia doesn't object.



what kind of definition was bertrand russel applying to the word?

It's. Just. Sem-an-tics, people!

Good grief.

I actually reject both "atheist" and "agnostic," personally, chiefly because I consider the terms pointless. As I've said before, it would be like calling myself an "aalchemist" because I also reject alchemy as worthy of serious discussion.

Why should I need to describe myself using a term that defines me by opposing me to a particular group of people who believe outlandish things with no evidence? Do I also need to call myself an "afoilhatist" because I don't think anything is being beamed down into our brains?

I just consider myself rational, period. I won't dignify and legitimize the theist stance by using their term that defines me by my opposition to them, as though they somehow occupied a worthier position than alchemists and foil-hat wearers.

Okay, if you're atheist, I would like to apologise - for being aggressive to you. However - I can in fact demonstrate what you call a "negative" - The explanation is fairly straightforward. If "X exists in Y" is provable, then it is also disprovable - which is to say, an investigation of all of Y, or whether X can /actually/ exist in Y, bears out whether the statement is true or false. It's not my fault - nor anyone but the ignorant theists - that they don't understand simple logic.

Enlighten yourself, Jauani. None of those definitions contradict what I'm saying.

This is from the man who coined the term agnostic in the first place:

"I know that I am, in spite of myself, exactly what the Christian would call, and, so far as I can see, is justified in calling, atheist and infidel."

Agnosticism is about knowledge or lack thereof, not belief or disbelief. They're two separate things. I'm sorry if that bothers you. Maybe you should invent a new word for yourself so you don't have to be traumatized by proper use of language.

that's the definition of the word i'm using, but thanks for paraphrasing the wikipedia again for me. i don't know what that has to do with homeric gods. maybe you should quote things in context?

not being an agnostic, but an atheist, you are irrational due to actively disbelieving in god in the absence of evidence of any kind. why don't you just be honest and admit you are trying to push everyone into the abyss of intellectual dishonesty with your false claims or reason and logic?

See, now, I tend to think there were some small "G" gods stomping around in ancient Greece stirring up trouble.

Well you would know better than the man who invented the word agnostic

i said "that is the definition i use."

can you find who invented hooked-on-phonics on the wikipedia?

I don't think it would help you.

btw,



so because the huxley believes that christians would call agnostics atheists, then that makes it so?

i don't think huxley is saying that.

why are you?

well then, mr.rash-poster-of-quotes... maybe information does not equal knowledge?

maybe you want to quit skimming wikipedia to make an arguement?

Now you're just getting desperate. OMG I'm not an atheist! Say it isn't so! lalalalalalala I can't hear you!

Are you a theist, Jauani?

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