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Chip Midnight
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02-06-2006 09:38
There's a great article in today's Washington Post that finally gives some specifics about what the NSA spying program is actually doing. It's blind data mining and it is truly chilling. Every US citizen should read this article (in whole), think about its implications, and be both horrified and angry. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/02/04/AR2006020401373.html
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Rose Karuna
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02-06-2006 10:14
The problem is Chip - that people don't seem to care. I saw this today and my co-workers laugh and think I'm just old and nuts for being concerned:
Every move you make ... they'll be watching you
It's getting harder to cover your tracks as even the most everyday activities -- from running a Google search to using the E-Z Pass lane -- leave a lengthy digital trail.
By Joe Burris Baltimore Sun Posted February 6 2006, 9:57 AM EST Ever get the feeling that someone's eyeballing you? You're probably right.
These days, between the news that the National Security Agency has been eavesdropping without warrants and that the Justice Department wants to know what searches have been conducted on Google and elsewhere, it's no wonder you feel under watch.
The real surprise, though, may be how so much of what you do on an everyday basis already gets screened, monitored, tracked, scanned and observed - often without your ever knowing it.
From spyware on your computer to police cameras on your street to GPS devices on your cell phone, how much of your private life is really private any more?
"It's all part of the general evaporation of privacy," said Peter Wayner, a Baltimore-based computer programmer who has written several books about online protocol and safety.
The Justice Department has obtained records of millions of anonymous, random searches made on Microsoft, Yahoo and America Online as it attempts to revive a child pornography law struck down by the U.S. Supreme Court. But Google, the world's most popular search engine, refused to comply, and the Justice Department has gone to court to force the company to turn over the data.
"I think the Justice Department isn't looking for personal information. They seem to want to do some research," Wayner said. "But the future may be different."
The issue has sparked privacy debates around the country - and opened the eyes of those who didn't know such records were being kept in the first place. In fact, most people leave a digital trail of personal information behind as they go about their daily life, using an ATM or a grocery savings club card or logging on to their e-mail accounts.
While most of this personal information cannot be released without a subpoena, you might be surprised at how easy it is to track where you've been and what you've done on a typical day. Consider this scenario:
Wake up, shower and dress, then before you go to work, log onto the Internet to check e-mails or a Web site.
No matter how you log onto the Web, all of your Internet activity can be traced because of your computer's Internet Protocol (IP) address, a random number that enables computers on a network to communicate.
"The IP address is like the phone number of a computer," said Wayner. "The companies usually keep the user's physical address bound to each IP address."
IP address information travels along the network of your Internet Service Provider (ISP), which acts as a conduit between your computer and the Web. Information stored by ISPs can be kept indefinitely.
"If you use a search engine for information about a bomb, your local computer has a record [of your search]," said Tim Finin, a computer science professor at the University of Maryland, Baltimore County. "Your ISP knows you're the guy who is at the address of that computer," he added, "and that you accessed the file."
Head for work, taking Interstate 95 and going through an E-Z Pass toll lane.
E-Z Pass knows you were there: Its transactions are like credit card purchases. The transponder that was placed on your windshield is read by a sensor as you pass through. Then the sensor calls up your account then verifies that it's in good standing.
"If for some reason it's not read correctly," said Teri Moss, spokeswoman for the Maryland Transportation Authority, "or if you go through an E-Z Pass lane [without a pass], a video image is taken of your license plate."
E-Z Pass would then contact the MTA, which would send you a letter requesting payment.
Just prior to approaching your office, your cell phone rings.
Some cell phones have Global Positioning System chips, enabling you to be tracked if, for example, you call 911 during an emergency. Yet GPS devices can also alert your mobile carrier of your whereabouts throughout the day.
"If you have your phone turned on, your location is known to the phone company," said Finin. "Your cell phone is constantly communicating with the closest cell tower. Even when you're not using it, it's constantly pinging the nearest tower to say, 'I'm here. This is my number.'"
Arrive at work, swipe an access card to open the locked employees' entrance. Head to your cubicle.
Were your movements tracked from the moment you entered the building? Yes and no.
Andre Mendes, software engineer at Entry Master Systems, a Baltimore-based commercial security and access control company, said most access cards contain a coded, arbitrarily assigned number, but no personal information. Your employer, though, can match the random numbers to specific employees.
But are there surveillance cameras, perhaps inside the dark glass half bubbles you see on some ceilings, once you're inside? Department stores, government buildings, libraries and hospitals are some of the facilities that use such devices.
Officials at Diebold, an Ohio-based systems company, say some images can be stored for three months, and top-of-the-line cameras can zoom in on the minutest objects.
Said Vince Lupe, Diebold director of product management: "If you look at CSI, they zoom in on this guy's face and say, 'Let's see the mole on his left cheek.'"
Lunchtime: Order a salad with light dressing, in line with the diet your wife wants you on. The waiter brings a dessert tray with your favorite indulgence - Key lime pie. You say you shouldn't, then tell him you'll take a slice - no, two. Charge the meal to your credit card. You look around to see that no one's watching.
Yet someone is watching. Among the folks who know about your purchase: the restaurant, your credit card company, the bank that handles the restaurant's credit card account and the bank that issued your card.
Your secret is probably safe, though - unless your wife finds a good, old-fashioned paper copy of the itemized receipt in your coat pocket.
Driving back to the office takes you along city streets with several cameras attached to light posts. Stop for gas at your usual station.
It's possible that Kristen Mahoney, Baltimore City Police Department chief of technical services, is watching from monitors at headquarters, as she did recently when a rumor that some downtown gas stations were closing early prompted a mad dash to the pumps.
Mahoney dispatched nearby officers to the overcrowded stations before tempers flared.
In fact, on many of Baltimore's busiest streets, police are watching: They've set up more than 220 surveillance cameras, mainly in crime hot spots and along downtown infrastructures.
They include:
Pod cameras with flashing blue lights that are placed in areas known for violence and drug dealing. They're watched by nearby law enforcement officers in their cars, via small, monitoring devices called footballs.
City Watch cameras that monitor light rail, trauma centers and downtown universities. Funded by a $2 million homeland security grant, they pan, tilt, zoom and record high-quality digital images.
Downtown Partnership cameras, which the non-profit organization has set up near businesses.
Port of Baltimore cameras, for port security.
Smile if you find yourself on Pratt Street at the Inner Harbor: It's monitored, Mahoney said, by the last three kinds of cameras.
After leaving work, run some errands on the way home. At the department store, pick up a new dress for your wife, who is four months pregnant and starting not to fit into her old clothes, and charge it to your store credit card. Stop at the grocery store for something to make for dinner, using your frequent shopper card for discounted prices. On your way out, hit the ATM for some cash.
In the coming days, you might receive a $50 gift certificate toward baby furniture from the department store, and coupons from the grocery store.
"If you go into a department store and buy a maternity dress, a red light goes on in the store," said Raymond Burke, a professor at Indiana University's Kelley School of Business, which has worked with retailers to analyze customer loyalty. "They know you're expecting a child and you're likely to spend upward of $5,000 on products. If they're able to analyze those purchases and tie them into the life stages of a consumer, that can be a powerful tool for promotional activity."
Burke said stores also monitor which complementary items you buy (shampoo and conditioner, hot dogs and buns) for product placement in the aisles. And they keep track of how costly it is to do business with you - how often you return purchases, for example, and in what condition.
ATMs not only record the time and amount of your transaction, but take surveillance camera images. If there happens to be a crime in the vicinity around the time you were making a withdrawal, don't be surprised if the police contact you to ask if you saw anything unusual.
Your day ends. Fall asleep with little worry about how you've been "followed" throughout the day.
Surveys have shown that most people aren't losing sleep over this issue: They don't mind forfeiting some privacy it they can see the benefits, Burke says.
Fears of terrorism and crime, for example, can make citizens accept some forms of surveillance in exchange for feeling more secure. Getting discounts, speeding through an E-Z Pass lane rather than waiting in line at the cash-only toll booth and quickly finding what you need on Google are benefits that many would be loathe to give up.
While the Justice Department controversy has raised eyebrows and prompted some search engine users to worry where their queries will end up, some experts predict people won't change their habits.
"You hear people talk about it," said UMBC's Finan, "and when push comes to shove, convenience trumps any fear about privacy."
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Dianne Mechanique
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02-06-2006 10:31
Very interesting given that just last year, the White House denied categorically that any of this stuff goes on at all.  The "Big Brother" project and the details of it that leaked out were portrayed as Rumsfeld's pet idea that he was trying to convince the rest of the administration to go for but that they were honorably refusing to do so. Now we hear it has been going on for ages. America the free! Yeah, right, 
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Chip Midnight
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02-06-2006 10:41
From: Rose Karuna The problem is Chip - that people don't seem to care. ...and that, to me, is the most frightening part of all. We all want convenience, and that's fine, but we desperately need laws about how this mass of collected data can be stored and used. And Dianne, yes... exactly. When I first heard about the NSA program my first thought was that the Total Information Awareness program and Eschelon were never abandoned and are exactly what they're using to data mine as much communication as they can process looking for keywords and phrases. My friends and I joke about it and routinely append lists of keywords to the ends of our emails just to clog the system.
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Bounder Jimenez
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02-06-2006 11:33
Why should I care?? If I'm a law abiding citizen then who cares if the government finds out my private conversations? I know many of the people here in SL are IT people. As a knowledgable IT person, I'd tell you right now there are many people that you don't know (and are not in the government at all) that can see ALL your network activity. I'd also tell you they don't have time to actually pay attention to things outside the scope of what they are actually looking for. The only issue is (whether private people or government) is when they misuse the information they come across. I've personally seen information that said a person was having an affair. If I don't do anything with that information, then noone knows and noone cares. Its a fact of life nowdays that someone can see/hear everything you do unless you hide in the middle of nowhere with no electricity. Ok, so the government has to get a court order to wiretap you. Literally thousands of people in the telephone industry can listen to you without a court order. Personally I'd rather have the government listen to my conversation and say I'm not doing anything wrong than to have my neighbor who works at a communication point listen to my conversation because he's nosy.
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Flavian Molinari
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02-06-2006 11:50
Yes, disturbing indeed.
Many people trust the government and feel only someone with something to hide would have a problem with this. Coperate America does data milling also and the government uses that information as well. I'm sure this will evolve into a guilty untill proven inocent system where just fitting a certian profile will make you a criminal.
Oh yea, we have that already, it's called being poor and black. Well ok, other profiles like driving habits and spending habits and web surfing habits.
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Euterpe Roo
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02-06-2006 12:44
From: Washington Post Other officials, nearly all of whom spoke on the condition of anonymity because they are not permitted to discuss the program, said the prevalence of false leads is especially pronounced when U.S. citizens or residents are surveilled. Anyone find this sentence ironic? (This post brought to you by: John Poindexter, the Masons, and the letter 'S')
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Chip Midnight
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02-06-2006 12:57
From: Bounder Jimenez Why should I care?? If I'm a law abiding citizen then who cares if the government finds out my private conversations? Remember McCarthy? Nixon? Soviet Russia under the KGB? Internment camps? Government condoned torture? How about electronic voting with no paper trail? Any alarm bells going off for you yet? How about an executive branch that believes it has absolute authority to ignore the law because we're at war (in a war without any possible end)? How about a government that's declared it has the right to search your home without a warrant and can lock you up indefinitely without access to the legal system just because it suspects you might do something bad? You have a recipe for abuse that is in direct violation of your constitutional rights. If that doesn't scare you then you seriously need to have your head examined. Don't believe for a second that your government is benign and that it can't happen here. It already has.
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02-06-2006 13:03
I'm trying to come up with some reason why the government needs to be maintaining any sort of secrecy beyond that of an immediate military operation or technology specification. By "immediate" I mean days or weeks rather than years and decades. Any justifications for this?
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Desmond Shang
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02-06-2006 13:04
I think... the limited reaction is not due to 'not caring'. Rather, it's from a sense of hopelessness. Some people understand the methods and motivations of those who obtain national power. A person does not assume national office of *any* nation without certain goals, and a high degree of surety in themself. Either for themselves (knowing they intend to rape the system) or for everyone else (thinking they really DO know what's best for us). A double standard comes into play. Yes, the western world should be better than this. But please save your shock for nations where corruption, dissent-crushing, subjugation of women and execution of homosexuals make the United States look like Disney by comparison.
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Chip Midnight
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02-06-2006 13:49
From: Desmond Shang please save your shock for nations where corruption, dissent-crushing, subjugation of women and execution of homosexuals make the United States look like Disney by comparison. I'm not at all shocked, sadly. Now is the time to act. Not when our worst fears become confirmed and we wish we had.
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02-06-2006 15:04
From: Chip Midnight ...and that, to me, is the most frightening part of all. We all want convenience, and that's fine, but we desperately need laws about how this mass of collected data can be stored and used. And Dianne, yes... exactly. When I first heard about the NSA program my first thought was that the Total Information Awareness program and Eschelon were never abandoned and are exactly what they're using to data mine as much communication as they can process looking for keywords and phrases. My friends and I joke about it and routinely append lists of keywords to the ends of our emails just to clog the system. hahaha, that's an awsome Idea. I need to write a little plugin that will do that automatically.
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02-06-2006 16:52
From: someone hy should I care?? If I'm a law abiding citizen then who cares if the government finds out my private conversations? Well, you assume you are a law abiding citizen and that is the issue. What is legal today may be illegal tomorrow. After all, who thought wearing a t-shirt would get you arrested? Up until the recent case where the police barged into the wrong house and then arrested two men having sex for sodomy, it was illegal in many states to get a blowjob. How about decency? You think you live a legal life, but what is decent to you today could be criminal to someone else tomorrow.
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02-06-2006 17:11
Gah! Jinx (Unhygienix) has prolly got me spied on about a billion times by now. He keeps saying the word bomb to trigger it on purpose to make me squeal "stop!" lol. 'Course, he does that in SL too. 
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02-06-2006 17:13
In Kansas, it is illegal to hail a cab. (goes against the solicitation laws.) From: Neehai Zapata Well, you assume you are a law abiding citizen and that is the issue.
What is legal today may be illegal tomorrow. After all, who thought wearing a t-shirt would get you arrested?
Up until the recent case where the police barged into the wrong house and then arrested two men having sex for sodomy, it was illegal in many states to get a blowjob.
How about decency? You think you live a legal life, but what is decent to you today could be criminal to someone else tomorrow.
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Einsman Schlegel
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02-06-2006 21:33
I want to put on a good show for him. The fact is, everything we do is recorded. Linden Labs in fact isn't innocent in this case either Chip. What can we do about it? Nothing. It doesn't concern me if I know I'm not doing anything against the law or nothing. So, why should I care?
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Chip Midnight
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02-06-2006 22:31
From: Jeffrey Gomez You too can be your own super sekret government agent! I love photo-op shots... *cough* That's hilarious.
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Paolo Portocarrero
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02-07-2006 09:28
From: Einsman Schlegel I want to put on a good show for him. The fact is, everything we do is recorded. Linden Labs in fact isn't innocent in this case either Chip. What can we do about it? Nothing. It doesn't concern me if I know I'm not doing anything against the law or nothing. So, why should I care? His Sage Holiness, Neehai, has already explained why this is a logical fallacy. /112/bf/86764/1.html#post882298 There is, in fact, much that can be done. For starters, contact your elected representatives.
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Dark Korvin
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02-07-2006 09:38
I do have to say that I lost faith in big brother's ability to keep tabs on people when I found out one of our AWOL soldiers from our unit wasn't caught for 3 months after going AWOL on leave when he had just been staying at his on base house. Most of the base was deployed, but at least someone from the top down should of thought about sending a rear detachment NCO to check out his house. I know people at the top of the NSA are probably smarter, but I get the feeling the government is looking at us with a confused, "What do I do now," looks. That may be even more scary, however.
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Dark Korvin
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02-07-2006 09:42
Wait a second, is that Win-RPC and Microsoft E-mail on the map behind the goofy dress greens guy. Bah, down with Microsoft!
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Dark Korvin
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02-07-2006 09:48
Wait a second, is that Microsoft E-mail on the map behind the goofy dress greens guy. Bah, down with Microsoft!
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Joy Honey
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02-07-2006 09:52
I kind of like the "latest tool versions" caption in that photo 
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Dark Korvin
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02-07-2006 10:03
Wow, this is as bad as the head of network security in my first college giving open lectures once a month to describe the network vulnerbilities and future plans to fix these vulnerbilities. It was more information about the weak spots of a computer network and the future attempts to fix it than any other thing I've seen in my life. Now I can go through and find out what other hackers are doing all over the world. This makes me feel so much safer.
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Chip Midnight
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02-07-2006 10:24
From: Joy Honey I kind of like the "latest tool versions" caption in that photo  Gonzales is definitely the latest tool 
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