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Teeny Leviathan
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04-01-2006 08:03
Guest speaker on deck. Teeny takes no responsibility for the following comments (oh well, some of this is my fault). Presenting a time traveling prude from the year 1954. He's still getting caught up on modern times, so go easy on him. Anything beyond 1966 is new to him.


Gay marriage is just wrong. Marriage is no laughing matter. Marriage is a serious, solem thing. It should be entered into in the most unflinching, unemotional way. No smiling, grinning, bright colors, party balloons or giggling.

The Vulcans had it almost right. Sex every seven years. I suspect Vulcans actually enjoy sex when they have it, which is just wrong. If they wanted to make sex perfect, they should have intercourse through a small hole in a 1" thick partition. That would remove anything remotely gay or fun in sex.

Anyway, the way I see it, there should be nothing fun or gay in marriage. Its serious business. Half of all marriages end in divorce because someone had too much fun. They forget that their naughty bits are only for urinating. They bathe nude, and sometimes together. Gayness should be relegated to the one place where gay things are perfectly normal: a little girl's birthday party.
Neehai Zapata
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04-01-2006 08:39
Gays should not be allowed to marry. Allowing Gay Marriage will only promote deviant behavior and endanger America's children.

Gay Marriage = Domestic Terrorism
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Ranma Tardis
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04-01-2006 17:27
From: Teeny Leviathan
Guest speaker on deck. Teeny takes no responsibility for the following comments (oh well, some of this is my fault). Presenting a time traveling prude from the year 1954. He's still getting caught up on modern times, so go easy on him. Anything beyond 1966 is new to him.


Gay marriage is just wrong. Marriage is no laughing matter. Marriage is a serious, solem thing. It should be entered into in the most unflinching, unemotional way. No smiling, grinning, bright colors, party balloons or giggling.

The Vulcans had it almost right. Sex every seven years. I suspect Vulcans actually enjoy sex when they have it, which is just wrong. If they wanted to make sex perfect, they should have intercourse through a small hole in a 1" thick partition. That would remove anything remotely gay or fun in sex.

Anyway, the way I see it, there should be nothing fun or gay in marriage. Its serious business. Half of all marriages end in divorce because someone had too much fun. They forget that their naughty bits are only for urinating. They bathe nude, and sometimes together. Gayness should be relegated to the one place where gay things are perfectly normal: a little girl's birthday party.


Do you see the prude when looking in the mirror? Of course maybe I am wrong and you are typical American from the land of the fee.
Teeny Leviathan
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04-01-2006 17:55
From: Ranma Tardis
Do you see the prude when looking in the mirror? Of course maybe I am wrong and you are typical American from the land of the fee.


Apparently, my last post passed over your head at 37,000 feet. You so didn't get the joke. :rolleyes:
Ranma Tardis
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04-01-2006 17:58
From: Teeny Leviathan
Apparently, my last post passed over your head at 37,000 feet. You so didn't get the joke. :rolleyes:


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Teeny Leviathan
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04-01-2006 18:05
Once upon a time in America (let's say about 50 years ago) the term "gay" meant festive or happy. That was its common usage back in the 1950's.

Zoom forward to the latter 1960's. English, being a living, constantly changing language, took the term "gay" and applied it to homosexuals. The previous definition became archaic. Hardly anyone today uses the term to describe happy or festive things.

Get it now? :rolleyes:
Susie Boffin
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04-01-2006 19:16
From: Neehai Zapata
Gays should not be allowed to marry. Allowing Gay Marriage will only promote deviant behavior and endanger America's children.

Gay Marriage = Domestic Terrorism


Huh? Please explain in detail what you mean.

Your post is an April Fools joke, right?
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Chip Midnight
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04-01-2006 20:37
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The best thing to do is stop giving all these perks to married people regardless of sexual orientation. Single people deserve the same rights! Equality for Singletons!


The divorce rate is a pretty clear indicator that this whole "marriage" thing doesn't work very well anyway. Since the religious folks are so hung up on the word, and the word clearly doesn't work as intended in the first place, I think henceforth all unions should all be known by a new word. I suggest that word be "wonkle." Any two (or more) people in any combination who want to get wonkled should be allowed.
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Allana Dion
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04-01-2006 22:11
From: Neehai Zapata
Gays should not be allowed to marry. Allowing Gay Marriage will only promote deviant behavior and endanger America's children.

Gay Marriage = Domestic Terrorism

From: Susie Boffin
Huh? Please explain in detail what you mean.

Your post is an April Fools joke, right?


I figured it had to be too.
Travis Lambert
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04-01-2006 22:22
As much as I agree that homosexual couples should be afforded the same rights and responsibilities as hetrosexuals do, I don't believe the American society at large is ready for it to be made law..... yet.

The pendelum has shifted too far to the right. Instead of the majority supporting what is morally logical, it became one of several issues that helped mobilize the Right, and lead Bush to a victorious election. Those of us that support gay marrage are the victims of (among other things) poor timing.

Many of those in the Center, unfortunately - are apethetic to this issue. Hopefully when that pendelum swings back towards the Left again they wont be.
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04-01-2006 23:12
From: Susie Boffin
Huh? Please explain in detail what you mean.

Your post is an April Fools joke, right?


No, he is right. Sodomy is offensive to God, and all homosexuals must be punished. Of course, if a pack of ill-bred Baptists get to judge my lifestyle by Biblical standards then I demand the right to stone to death their disobedient children and all adulterers, who are equally offensive to God.

Oh, and blaming homosexuals, rather than that stupid and corrupt fuck Kerry for Bush's winning the election is kinda like saying that Jews are to blame for Hitler getting elected.
Allana Dion
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04-01-2006 23:41
From: David Cartier

Oh, and blaming homosexuals, rather than that stupid and corrupt fuck Kerry for Bush's winning the election is kinda like saying that Jews are to blame for Hitler getting elected.



Hmm.. sorry, but A) I'm not seeing the comparison here and B) blaming "corrupt fuck Kerry for Bush's winning the election" ??? Heh? I must be missing something.
Cristiano Midnight
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04-02-2006 01:58
From: Susie Boffin
Huh? Please explain in detail what you mean.

Your post is an April Fools joke, right?


Sadly, Neehai's post is exactly the kind of rhetoric that many people opposed to Gay marriage spew out all the time. He is just framing it starkly to show how absurd it is.
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Lucifer Baphomet
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04-02-2006 03:23
Just to pop in and state that marriage is not a religious term.
Over here (UK) many people have non religious marriages in registry offices.
Marriage, not civil union, not official holding hands or any other stupid synonym, but a marriage.
Marriage is a state sanctioned union, a church service here means diddly squat, till after the church service the couple go off and sign the marriage documents.
So forget pandering to the straight religious types who bleat "but marriage is a religion thing" theyre simply farting with their mouths.
And of course gay couples should have the right to wed, if they wish.
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Cristiano Midnight
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04-02-2006 03:24
From: Lucifer Baphomet
Just to pop in and state that marriage is not a religious term.
Over here (UK) many people have non religious marriages in registry offices.
Marriage, not civil union, not official holding hands or any other stupid synonym, but a marriage.
Marriage is a state sanctioned union, a church service here means diddly squat, till after the church service the couple go off and sign the marriage documents.
So forget pandering to the straight religious types who bleat "but marriage is a religion thing" theyre simply farting with their mouths.
And of course gay couples should have the right to wed, if they wish.


There is civil marriage in the US also, in front of a justice of the peace - zero to do with religion.
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Lucifer Baphomet
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04-02-2006 03:29
From: Cristiano Midnight
There is civil marriage in the US also, in front of a justice of the peace - zero to do with religion.


Good to know Ano, but why are people so convinced its a religious institution, I just don't get it.
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Nepenthes Ixchel
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04-02-2006 04:34
I hate the Australian Prime Minister more than usual today. He's about to veto a law to allow gay-marriage in one of our states. And worst of all, he claims it's not anyi-homosexual to do so.

From: John Howard

This is not an anti-homosexual gesture. This is a gesture to support the special and traditional place of marriage as a heterosexual union for life of a man and a woman in Australian society.
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04-02-2006 04:36
From: Chip Midnight
Any two (or more) people in any combination who want to get wonkled should be allowed.


I approve of the term. "Getting wonkled" sounds like so much more fun than getting married.
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04-02-2006 04:48
From: Susie Boffin
Huh? Please explain in detail what you mean.

Your post is an April Fools joke, right?

It was an April Fools post.

It is scary how easy it is to be so hateful.
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Reitsuki Kojima
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04-02-2006 08:41
From: Cristiano Midnight
There is civil marriage in the US also, in front of a justice of the peace - zero to do with religion.


The problem was keeping the term marriage. Had they just been very clear that it was simply a legal joining of two individuals, there wouldn't be the problem there is today.
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04-02-2006 09:33
From: Reitsuki Kojima
The problem was keeping the term marriage. Had they just been very clear that it was simply a legal joining of two individuals, there wouldn't be the problem there is today.



marriage isn't a religious term
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04-02-2006 09:41
From: Kendra Bancroft
marriage isn't a religious term


To you.
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04-02-2006 09:59
From: Reitsuki Kojima
To you.



objectively it isn't.
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04-02-2006 10:05
From: Kendra Bancroft
objectively it isn't.


Language, however, has evolved through subjective understanding.

If you want to get right down to it: No word is inherently religious, duh. Obviously. The meanings assosiated with the word are another story, however.
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But it's the word used in the law...
04-02-2006 12:14
From: Reitsuki Kojima
The problem was keeping the term marriage. Had they just been very clear that it was simply a legal joining of two individuals, there wouldn't be the problem there is today.


Marriage is the word used in all the relevant federal laws, and likely most of the state ones as well. In order for gays to get equal protection under those laws, the term used for their union must be marriage; otherwise, the existing laws won't have any effect. Similarly, to invoke the court precedents for equal protection that have been used to require one state to recognize marriages performed by another, the word marriage must be used.

Separate but equal never is. History has already shown that. We could argue that we might do better to remove the word marriage from all civil law and leave it strictly for religious use -- but that would require the rewriting of huge numbers of laws,and it isn't going to happen. So the only way to get equal rights is to use the word marriage. People trying to argue the language game have missed that; in the current legal framework, to get equal rights and responsibilities, you have to use the word.
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