CIA Holds Terror Suspects in Secret Prisons
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Ulrika Zugzwang
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11-03-2005 20:41
When exactly did liberty die in the U.S.? The CIA has been hiding and interrogating some of its most important al Qaeda captives at a Soviet-era compound in Eastern Europe, according to U.S. and foreign officials familiar with the arrangement.
The secret facility is part of a covert prison system set up by the CIA nearly four years ago that at various times has included sites in eight countries, including Thailand, Afghanistan and several democracies in Eastern Europe, as well as a small center at the Guantanamo Bay prison in Cuba, according to current and former intelligence officials and diplomats from three continents. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/11/01/AR2005110101644.html~Ulrika~
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11-03-2005 20:44
*yawn*
boooooooring.
In other news, the L$ stayed strong today.
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11-03-2005 21:11
From: Ulrika Zugzwang When exactly did liberty die in the U.S.? The CIA has been hiding and interrogating some of its most important al Qaeda captives at a Soviet-era compound in Eastern Europe, according to U.S. and foreign officials familiar with the arrangement.
The secret facility is part of a covert prison system set up by the CIA nearly four years ago that at various times has included sites in eight countries, including Thailand, Afghanistan and several democracies in Eastern Europe, as well as a small center at the Guantanamo Bay prison in Cuba, according to current and former intelligence officials and diplomats from three continents. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/11/01/AR2005110101644.html~Ulrika~ This is sick, but I am going to have to agree with you here Ulrika (no matter how much the urge to do the opposite is)... But, it also bothers me greatly how much of the information is by 'unknowns', At one point in one of the articles (MSNBC has one as well), there is a claim that the CIA flight records were obtained by undisclosed sources. This to maintain future access to said records. Is that not scary in and of itself? Who has access to 'records' and who are they willing to 'share' them with? I am no way condoning CIA secret torture chambers. If they feel they have to torture, then do so, but do it publically with all the ramifications... |
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11-03-2005 21:21
From: Ulrika Zugzwang When exactly did liberty die in the U.S.?
July 4, 1776
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Ulrika Zugzwang
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11-03-2005 21:53
From: Kurgan Asturias Is that not scary in and of itself? Who has access to 'records' and who are they willing to 'share' them with? The reporter alludes to the sources as being from the CIA itself in a recent press conference. The link is below. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/discussion/2005/10/28/DI2005102800907.html?nav=nsc~Ulrika~
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11-03-2005 22:06
I wouldn't trust the CIA on something like that, they could have leaked it on purpose.
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Kurgan Asturias
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11-03-2005 22:24
From: Ulrika Zugzwang The reporter alludes to the sources as being from the CIA itself That was what I was talking about (who else would have access to CIA flight logs around the world?)... If these folks are trying to protect us with torture, they are not. As a matter of fact, I feel like I am being tortured for the whole world to look upon (course, maybe it is fitting...) |
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11-03-2005 23:38
'he loved big brother.'
my postscript: believe in -nothing- at your own risk - and for any love you may have for others you know.
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11-03-2005 23:53
If USA/CIA need special prisons - keep the prisons in the own country --- in the USA....
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Strife Onizuka
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11-04-2005 00:34
You know, if you are doing something that requires secret prisons so you can avoid applicable laws, maybe you shouldn't be doing it.
But then the US is a police state; so the point is moot.
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11-04-2005 01:16
From: PetGirl Bergman If USA/CIA need special prisons - keep the prisons in the own country --- in the USA.... The reason for having prisons outside the USA is rather simple: you might think of the current political system in the USA critically, but its still a country in which the law rules. And the US law still forbids holding people in prison for extended periods of time without reason (with exceptions) or torturing them. If the CIA wants to hold people in prison outside any control of the US law system or if they want to torture prisoners, they better do that outside the territory of the US. |
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11-04-2005 07:22
I heard they tickle their feet with feathers and make them watch re-runs of Knotts Landing too. Heartless bastards!
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11-04-2005 08:17
From: Strife Onizuka You know, if you are doing something that requires secret prisons so you can avoid applicable laws, maybe you shouldn't be doing it.
But then the US is a police state; so the point is moot. No, the US is not a police state, which is exactly why such operations would be conducted in OTHER countries. |
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Ulrika Zugzwang
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11-04-2005 08:25
From: Deirdre Boyer The reason for having prisons outside the USA is rather simple: you might think of the current political system in the USA critically, but its still a country in which the law rules. And the US law still forbids holding people in prison for extended periods of time without reason (with exceptions) or torturing them.
If the CIA wants to hold people in prison outside any control of the US law system or if they want to torture prisoners, they better do that outside the territory of the US. I see. So the concepts of due process, right to representation, and basic human rights aren't something that the U.S. government has to concern itself with as long as it operates outside the country.  ~Ulrika~
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Eandi Xingjian
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11-04-2005 08:44
And According to the left, John Kerry is a war hero.
How come you lefties got no problem with those animals de-capping our people or hanging them from bridges.
Prison is way to good for them
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Michal Milosz
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11-04-2005 09:04
From: Eandi Xingjian How come you lefties got no problem with those animals de-capping our people or hanging them from bridges. Yah, and where have they been when Saddam murdered thousands of Kurds and Shi'ites?! Forkin' half-assed Marxist morons...
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11-04-2005 16:09
From: Roland Hauptmann No, the US is not a police state, which is exactly why such operations would be conducted in OTHER countries. Lets see... You can be beaten by police(1), you can be shot and killed by police(2), you can be falsely arrested(3), denied all rights and tortued(4). Sounds like a police state. 1. Can we say rodney king or how about anti-vietnam protests or we could go back to civil rights when firehoses and dogs were used. 2. Too many to cite, all time "favorite" Kent State University 3. Any of the protests at political conventions; protesters are reguraly arrested and released after the events without being charged. 4. 3rd class ticked payed for by the CIA to a secret prison beyond the reach of all laws and supervision. Last time it checked changing your venue to commit a crime doesn't make you a saint. So what if the CIA are doing it in another contry, it's still the CIA doing it, they are US citizens. No terrorist is going to say "we won't attack the US, they deport their prisoners before torturing them" they will say "we attack the US because they torture thier prisoners". Torture is torture and all that matters to the terrorist is who is cracking the whip.
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11-04-2005 16:27
From: Deirdre Boyer The reason for having prisons outside the USA is rather simple: you might think of the current political system in the USA critically, but its still a country in which the law rules. And the US law still forbids holding people in prison for extended periods of time without reason (with exceptions) or torturing them.
If the CIA wants to hold people in prison outside any control of the US law system or if they want to torture prisoners, they better do that outside the territory of the US. The CIA is always bound by US law regardless of the Country in which they are. The same applies to all US military and agents. The fact they ignore the law isn't proof they aren't bound by it. |
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11-04-2005 16:36
From: Eandi Xingjian And According to the left, John Kerry is a war hero.
How come you lefties got no problem with those animals de-capping our people or hanging them from bridges.
Prison is way to good for them Oh..so you personally know that each person being held in these secret prisons are savage, murdering animals? Do you have some inside information? Without lawyers or access to the outside world, how are they to be found guilty or innocent? They could be anyone that the administration or CIA wanted gone, or that looked suspicious, etc. That's why we have a court system and laws within the U.S. You are innocent until proven guilty remember? So that's good enough for you and I, but not anyone else? Hypocrite! And isn't grabbing folks in the middle of the night and taking them to secret locations to torture, kill, main, and/or hold indefinitely, one of the very things that made Saddam a monster in our eyes?
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11-04-2005 17:03
If you think that detaining prisoners without trial and torturing them in gulags (literally) is just fine, then I dismiss you as treasonous to the ideals that this country is supposed to stand for.
Frankly there is no debate here. You people disgust me.
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11-04-2005 17:17
From: Kendra Bancroft If you think that detaining prisoners without trial and torturing them in gulags (literally) is just fine, then I dismiss you as treasonous to the ideals that this country is supposed to stand for.
Frankly there is no debate here. You people disgust me. There is no doubt, torture is absolutely against US law. Anyone caught doing it should be arrested and be held to the highest standard. Only evil can come from evil as far as I can tell. btw, shouldn't Goerge apply the Christian principles to the way he governs? Do unto others as you would have them do to you... love your enemies... love your neighbor as yourself... etc |
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11-04-2005 17:23
From: Kevn Klein There is no doubt, torture is absolutely against US law. Anyone caught doing it should be arrested and be held to the highest standard. Only evil can come from evil as far as I can tell.
btw, shouldn't Goerge apply the Christian principles to the way he governs? I don't believe that Bush is an actual Christian. An actual Christian wouldn't do any of the things Bush does, let alone condone them. |
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11-04-2005 17:31
From: Kendra Bancroft I don't believe that Bush is an actual Christian. An actual Christian wouldn't do any of the things Bush does, let alone condone them. What we need is evidence. This is the same problem we had with Clinton. He was slippery. Slick Willie. If you can find the evidence, ask a Democrat to help bring him down. Ya can't arrest him, but he can be impeached and removed. Clinton got impeached, but not removed. It's tough to do. |
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11-04-2005 17:35
From: Kevn Klein What we need is evidence. This is the same problem we had with Clinton. He was slippery. Slick Willie. If you can find the evidence, ask a Democrat to help bring him down. Ya can't arrest him, but he can be impeached and removed. Clinton got impeached, but not removed. It's tough to do.  I think Fitz has a handle on it. |
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11-07-2005 07:21
From: Ulrika Zugzwang When exactly did liberty die in the U.S.? The CIA has been hiding and interrogating some of its most important al Qaeda captives at a Soviet-era compound in Eastern Europe, according to U.S. and foreign officials familiar with the arrangement.
The secret facility is part of a covert prison system set up by the CIA nearly four years ago that at various times has included sites in eight countries, including Thailand, Afghanistan and several democracies in Eastern Europe, as well as a small center at the Guantanamo Bay prison in Cuba, according to current and former intelligence officials and diplomats from three continents. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/11/01/AR2005110101644.html~Ulrika~ I don't see the big deal here. These are dangerous men that must be kept from planning their terrorist activities. The real question that should be asked is "When did the pussification of the US and its citizens start?" Sometime around Vietnam I suspect. |
