This kinda Shit Never Happened There Before We Arrived

http://apnews.myway.com/image/20060222/IRAQ_.sff_GFX320_20060222144638.html?date=20060222&docid=D8FUDN9O7

Happy Yet Hawks?

Am I the only one who giggles every time a news report uses the description "Holy Shiite"?

i think that started on the daily show

Ah, I had never heard anyone else mention it before. Now I don't feel so bad.

How about you post some pictures of what did happen before we arrived?

I decided against posting them here because some are just too nightmarish.

this is not a doll:
http://www.kdp.pp.se/2604.jpg

mass graves -- one alone was thought to hold 15,000 victims.
http://www.hrw.org/photos/2003/iraq/images/14.jpg

what the definition of torture used to be:
http://www.smh.com.au/ffximage/2005/01/25/iraqtorture_narrowweb__200x225.jpg

lovely! *goes to throw up >.<*

Well apparently some people need constant reminders.

Man, that guy is a menace.

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This kinda Shit Never Happened There Before We Arrived

Dude, you make it obvious you had never heard of Iraq or Islam before you began attending the anti-war meetings you've been attending.

The Sunni and Shiite have been after each other's throats for centuries.

Cultural ignorance is what got us involved in the war, accusatory ignorance will not get us out of it.

this is but one symptom

do you forget about the car bombings?

do you forget about "collatoral damage"?

i am not defending Saddam or his regime, but I am disputing Bushs assertation that the Iraqis are "better off" now than before we got there

this is not a thread for your white christian ass to teach Islam

What color is your ass, and what religion do you practice? I don't think that poster was claiming that the war has improved the situation, but saying 'this kind of shit didn't happen' before we arrived on the scene really is kind of ignoring a few centuries of bloodshed that went on happily without the intervention of any white, Christian asses at all.

There you are making unfounded accusations again!

You have never met me, so let me introduce myself -

A. I am originally from the Dominican Republic
B. I am not a Christian

What made you think that I am pro-war, pro-Bush, white, or Christian? That I stated the facts based on history and not on radical anti-Bush rethoric?

Prejudice and racist statements like that are exactly what start wars...

So you can't even admit it when you make an absolutely incorrect statement, instead choosing to shift the subject away to make a different point, and then throw unfounded insults (based on complete assumptions)?

And your original comment is still just as incorrect. Everyone knows you're not defending Saddam's regime--but are saying it should have been left in place. Take a look at some of the above photos. That's a thin line to tread. And it's not even worth arguing anymore at this point.

I have no problem debating politics with even the most extreme person, as long as they don't show disrespect and have some tolerance for differing points of view (I think also let's throw tolerance to different religious beliefs in there too). Unfortunately you have repeatedly proven that you don't fall into that category. It's a real shame.

can you please provide dates that a mosque was destroyed in Iraq while Saddam was in charge. Also note the time civil war and rampant instability blanketed the region with saddam?

that kind of info would certainly prove me incorrect.


Who elected us world police? See now you are shifting to the "worlds better off without him" arguement when the reality is we went in there for WMDs. Don't cut and run on why we are there. Don't you think the families of dead servicemen deserve to not be lied to and know the true reason we went there?

So those pictures are what you are saying we went there for?

please clear up my confusion. I distinctly remember talk about smoking guns being a mushroom cloud, uranium from Nigeria, and mobile weapons labs. If you say we went there to be world police, please provide the pre war justification proof that this was the main reason we were there. Also provide the time date and nations that deputized the United states to be world police


I am sorry you feel that way, but my statement stands. We have destabilized a region and made many enemies the world over. What have we gained and why can't we try Saddam fairly if the evidence is so cut and dry?

Just because he is in a cage does not make him guilty

Or did we switch to "guilty until proven innocent" or "he must be guilty because that is Bushs justification of the week."

The problem is this administration has been so decietful, so manipulative, so coniving and underhanded, that it is impossible to trust them on any level

and yes, Iraq is in a much worse way than before we got there. We have created a MAJOR terrorist spawn point. I am sorry if you disagree, but Saddam hasn't been proven guilty at all. If you want justice, don't allow the perversion of the justice system

I have been loosely following the story since a few days ago, but it's clear the American media has been totally downplaying this tragedy.

Imagine a bomb destroying the biggest cathedral in a major US city... it's so hard to even fathom how a perversion of this could occur. No matter how much a person may disagree with a religion... *can't think of words to capture this*

And this is precisely why it's clear we didn't know what the hell we were getting into when we decided to dethrone Saddam.

hiro, my patience has run out with the entirety of the bush regime, so you have voiced quite eloquently my feelings on this matter

these folks here get all riled up about a 30 yr old building getting destroyed (or 2 i should say)

they think the brownies over in the middle east are not capable of the emotions and pain that we are

they are humans, and this was a great national treasure, a source of pride, strength and inspiration for centuries, destroyed

that didn't happen when saddam was around

as hiro said, we didn't know what we were doing

and to those of you trying to paint a picture of improvement in iraq, for 3 years now we have witnessed the misery the US brought to Iraq that wasn't there before

and we can't even prove Saddam did a thing to justify any of this

it is such a shame that our founding fathers best efforts; the experiment to make a governement for the people by the people, is lost

hopefully not forever

but it will take people waking up from their

1) fear
2) apathy
3) gullibility

to fix what appears to be the begininng of the end of what many of our ancestors fought and died for

Is this a baseless accusation, or do you have some sort of basis for this insult of implied racism?

Just wondrin', ya know. Because that type of thing doesn't win people over to your side very well, and isn't terribly condusive to rational discourse.

it is an opinion based on the "bomb them back to the stone age" type comments that are all too frequent

Unfounded though!

I think we should bomb a lot of people back to the stone age. Doesn't mean I don't think they are human. That's the whole problem, they are human.

I support population control! Nothing says "doing your part to reduce world overpopulation" like a tactical nuke.

I have to say, when you said brownies I drooled a bit. I'm hungry and some nice gooey brownies would hit the spot.

This kind of shit happened, still happens, and will still happen until mankind evolves past the fourth stage.

I know the attitude that Mulch is referring to, at one point, I was a regular in yahoo politics chat, which of course was unmoderated.....
The pro bush, pro war crowd in there are really fond of the terms sand nigger, camel jockey, etc etc etc.
In here, we are moderated, and as a result have a veneer of civility forced on us, but I wonder just how long it would take a sizable proportion of the neocons here to devolve to the rabid hatemongers I saw in yahoo, if that moderation was removed.
Incedentaly, Reitsuki, I dont include yourself in the sizable proportion who would revert .... you remind me more of the few to the right there who were actually prepared to enter into a discussion than a hatemongering rant.
I consider it a point of pride that I was referred to as a mongrel, sandnigger loving, commie homo by the assholes who had that mindset there.

Every faction has those people. On the opposite side are those who level "hatemonger" and similar terms on *anyone* who disagrees with their High and Holy viewpoint, regardless of if they actually are a hatemonger or not. Such has been my experience, at any rate. I've seen the dumbasses on both sides.