Political Correctness runs amuck yet again

I'll address your last statemetn first. No. I bet on things based on experience, reasoning, possibiliies AND probabilities. In this case, some facts are clear, others not so much.

As for hapless pawns, gee. Reread my posts. I never said that. OTOH, if you don't believe that things have unconscious influence on your attitudes, beleifs and actions, then you can go argue with some of the brightest minds in sociology and psychology who have developed the opposite side of that argument from your position.

Quite the opposite. From what you have said, you reviewed her actions, and *through the filter of your own bias,* ascribed reasons for them.



Actually, any therapist I've ever talked to (and yes, folks, there's been more than one) has impressed upon me over and over again that I (or anyone, really) need to take accountability for my own actions. No one makes me or you do anything. People, the media and martians may try to influence me in any way they like, but the choice to do or not do is ultimately my own. To argue otherwise is an attempt to evade personal responsibility.

eta: Did a Mapquest. Westminster, Co. is just 20 miles down the road from where the Columbine shootings happen. Isn't it also very possible that the principal of this school is just extremely cautious about things that might lead to violence in school? I know I would be, if I was a principal working in Columbine's back yard.

So first I don't know what I assume as opposed to what conclusions I have drawn but you do? And second, theorists like Freud, James, Maslow, Piaget... and innumerable others are to be ignored because you've talked to this or that therapist about taking responsibility for your actions ---- as opposed to why you acted that way in the first place? Thanks, I appreciated the laugh.

edited to add: You want to postulate a Columbine relationship to her action? Fine. That's arguable. I didn't propose that nor do I find it very plausible (but so what). I proposed media-influence and politcal correctness. I happen to think my premise and argument is more likely the cause of her action while not disputing that Columbine might have somehow measurable, but far less significant, if any, influence.

If you can quote any reputable psychologist about how outside factors "cause" a (presumably) rational person's decision making, please do. Influence them? OK. Cause them? Heck no.

I'll wait

And I'm not saying Columbine did or didn't influence her. I don't know. Just as you don't know whether the media did. IOW, there are many things that may have played into this decision. Your keying in on just one of them says much more about you than it does about her.

Gotcha. You want to play "attack the person posting". Sorry. Not interested.

And thank you for the laugh, too.

I totally agree with this statement.

However I think Chosen's analysis of the effect of the media and the slant of the story in question though is superior to yours. You make certain assertions, but (IMO) you don't really have any evidence for them other than your opinion.

I think you need to look deeper into the kinds of things presented and the various agendas involved instead of merely seeing the angles you want to see. You keep saying the principals decision was affected by the media, but you don't exactly say how you know she was so affected or how you seem to know what she was thinking.

You are a fucking racist prick.

That was PC terminology for "suck my big fat cock you moronic piece of dog shit."

I would call you a normal human being but I can't because you're not.

I know you might ask me to call you something else, but until I see a general consensus of the world calling you that same thing or I find a suitable counterpart that I agree with, I will just have to call you a dumbass pig-fucker.

If you AR this post, you are a politically correct sissy and deserve to have a thousand dogs piss on your face.

I'm so glad we finally have a thread where we are allowed to shed societies conventions and finally call people whatever we want to. It is liberating!

Send your kids to private school and shut the fuck up.

This thread is stupid and should be closed to prevent injury to those browsing the forums.

Daddy's in a bad mood today

Okay... my public service educational posting for the day .. just for you.

The hysterical reaction in modem psychopathology is explained as serving defensive function by which the individual escapes or avoids stressful situations. As a neurotic disorder, the symptoms of hysteria can take the form of widest variety. Although at one point of time the diagnosis of hysteria was not that frequent perhaps because medical knowledge had not advanced so much, the same has considerably changed nowadays.

Not a direct quote from a particular expert perhaps. But, the entire article illustrates your lack of understanding of psychology. That's okay. Most people are equally ignorant of this field. The reason I won't waste my time finding you a (more) direct quote is that I'm not trying to convince you of anything. Merely illustrating that there may be a major gap in your understanding of things upon which I base my argument.

*laugh* um... ok.

I just feel liberated that we are dropping all this PC nonsense and speaking freely.

Self-expression is a wonderful thing and I hope to do lots more of it in this thread.

Amok, amok, amok.

You've certainly elevated the level of discussion in the thread.

I guess I have to defend myself here, being called an "apologist" for political correctness. I didn't say Political Correctness was okay, I said this didn't look like political correctness. Yes, the courts have ruled that students can express themselves through their clothing, unless it can be shown to be disruptive to the learning process, the whole point of being in school in the first place. And as to the idea that the students wearing the camo were against illegal immigration, that's not backed up by the news report. The article said immigration. The principal stepped in to defuse a potentially violent situation. Good for her. The principal's first responsibility is the safety of the students, then comes learning then comes freedom of expression.

It could only go up.

So now basic good manners is political correctness? One doesn't have to be a complete ass to show one's opposition to political correctness.

Hmm.. Here's where I saw the story going when I opened this thread with leading...
Schools ban patriotic clothes, flags

NOW the media has reported over-reaching and over-reacting by different principals in different areas of the country. The wording of the reports frames how readers are to interpret the events and that then will influence their subsequent actions in their own schools.

I don't "blame" the principals per se... I do, however, feel that the media is having an observable influence in the frequency of confrontations and the difficulty in resolving them according to law rather than emotionalism which is the basis for political correctness.

Listen, it was fine for pig-fucker up there to decide what he wanted to call a certain group of people. Why the double standard?

One doesn't have to do anything. One chooses. That is what this thread is about.

I am exercising my right to choose.

As for your personal attack on my manners, you can go sodomize yourself with a broomhandle.

This post was in no way intended as an attack on brooms or their handles.

With all the harping about "the media," I can't help but wonder if you meant to direct that post about hysteria to yourself? In any case, I enjoyed the irony!

The immigrants in question are her ein this country in violation of immigration laws. They are here without the authority of federal law and are thus illegal immigrants. We are not discussing a society prejudiced against IMIIGRATION, but rather a society that does not wish to reward ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION.

There is a process, it should be followed. It is unfair to those who do follow the sometimes painfully slow process of legal immigration, to suddenly reward all those who come here illegally with citizenship. Of course i think immigration reform begins with enforcing the laws already on the books.

This colorado school district is misguided. This is america, and citizens should be allowed to express national pride. Its just a matter of the schools wanting an easy solution that does not involve actually teaching anything.

Of course anyone in america protesting immigration reform and waiving a mexican flag is dooming themselves to hypocrisy. They should be waiving american flags. Eh. Its a bit like coming on to SL and waving a EQII banner and calling for a stipend increase.

Ah. The humor of those who deign not to discuss intelligently.

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In any case, let's take this to the extreme now...
Tell me that this wouldn't have happened without the media being a factor.
Principal Joins Student Walkout

Explain the connection, if you would.

Okay. Um, everything is not about you or in response to you/your posts. Note the asterisks indicating "moving on now"?