OMG, Dubya the Freakin' Fascist!

Chance ............. a neocon....
Bwahahahahahahahahahaha

Hum....

the right place....

Its funny, his poll numbers were as they are now... then suddenly 9-11-01 happened... "As if it was made to happen"

Funny how puke george w. bush has benifited from the war that has taken over 3000 "Official" troops

Dictator yes

Currupt Wannabe President yes

worst "President" In history yes

time to impeach sick-o george w. bush

He's not a moron; he clearly has a lot of social intelligence, the capacity to impress and manipulate people, personal charisma (despite how it may appear). You have to have that to get to be President, and it's a perfectly valid type of intelligence as well. It gets you places and gets things done for you.

He doesn't need to be an amazing polymath genius anyway, simply because he's not a dictator. He doesn't need to come up with policy on his own as well as defend himself against constant threats to his power. The intellectuals in the party heirarchy are technically below him, but wield immense influence, as they've been doing for decades. All these neocons have been there in similar positions for a while, since Reagan and before, and they wouldn't want to be any more in the public eye.

You know, with comments similar to this, I can't help but wonder how many are posted by people who are secretly neocon/Republican/GOP/Karl Rove/etc shills, in order to make the left look bad with paranoid, emotion-laden slogans and statements whose ultimate message seems to be "we hate Bush so much that half the time we can barely restrain ourselves from rabidly foaming at the mouth, and you should too!".

It's probably the only "right-wing conspiracy" theory that hasn't gotten some serious airtime among the online left, to the best of my admittedly imperfect and non-omniscient knowledge. Can't imagine why...

It only seems that way because most Americans were staring at their bellybuttons when Al Qaeda was preparing. Suddenly happened . I had just written my semester paper on Osama (or Usama) a few months before 9/11 and it seemed pretty damn probable to me considering Michael Hayden estimated the value of the telecommunications investments Osama had at about 3 trillion dollars. And Considering the bombing campaigns they had been launching abroad. Even just his character, in the way he wasn't afraid to personally face Russia in combat to expel the infidels from Muslim ground. Resources, check, training, check, resolve, triple check. Matter of time.

I love how so many lefties think Bush is both the biggest moron who ever lived and the mastermind of a far-ranging conspiracy to undermine American democracy.

Geez, people, pick one and go with it.

It seems to me that labelling your opponent a "fascist" or a "communist" is an easy way to avoid actually considering another person's views that might - oh, shock! - differ from your own.

No offence Chance, but I think your quite out of date here.

Your conception of Fascism is really leans rather strongly on the "big man" aspect of classic Fascism and that is not really central. Your personal definition is kind of "old school," Musollini type fascism and not really relevant for that reason.

Also, all the alternative definitions of Fascism you just posted apply to the current state of affairs in the US just as closely as the OPs definition does. You are damning your argument with your own examples.

Just for info, the way the conspiracy theory on that generally goes is that Dick Cheney is in charge and "runs" George just like he ran Reagan before him.

The general idea being to have a neo-con government with an affable doofus in the driver seat to deflect criticism form the underlying harshness of the policies.

A plausible if completely unprovable theory.

I'd check again if I were you then.

Beat me to it.

But I thought it was Rove who ran everything.

So what exactly does the US Patriot Act means then?

Maybe that's true if you give more weight to popular connotation rather than the denotations that founded it; doesn't giving a broader view take away from the meaning that was intended and is still historically relevant? If I got a large group of people calling socialists communists, would it suddenly become valid to call them commies? ....Probably so, I guess. God I hate humanity.

Depends how you look at it. Bush is hardly being positioned as a superman to look up to and follow, more like the everyman that we might trust to house sit. The government is a republic and the conservatives (even if they cheated their constituents by redistricting Texas which is WRONG and shouldn't be repeated) are not trying to change that system. Also, the government isn't trying to impose harsh controls over every part of life in order to seize totalitarian control (although there's always a slippery slope criticism, but screw that noise).

Is our country fucked up? Yes. Has our government done heinous things? Yes. Can we trust our leaders? No. Are we a fascist nation?

My ultimate point is that, like with the label "Ground Zero," people have taken to legitimizing lax definitions in order to better reflect and convey the perception of their emotional discontent. Focusing on processes of demonization to make a point ultimately relegates a speaker to preaching to her choir and ostracizes the very audience she wishes to engage and affect. It insults the intelligence of those across party lines as well as the home team.

But then, the very people who use the terms in the first place have no interest in changing anybody's views. They only care about themselves and call names to generate self gratification and self assurance for being on the right side. Fuck anyone who doesn't unquestioningly agree with them and fall in line.