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Billybob Goodliffe
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06-23-2006 12:24
From: Introvert Petunia It is worth noting that there have been very few elephant attacks on US soil during the current administration, also.
I take credit for that, though. really? you do? http://www.post-gazette.com/healthscience/20021119elephants1119p3.asphttp://www.circuses.com/ringling-trample.asphttp://hs.riverdale.k12.or.us/maverick/?q=node/1051wanna retract your statement? 
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Juro Kothari
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06-23-2006 13:00
From: Billybob Goodliffe yet he got re-elected, hmmm...... Amazing what fear will do to people.
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Billybob Goodliffe
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06-23-2006 13:01
From: Juro Kothari Amazing what fear will do to people.
your right, Kerry did scare me.
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Groucho Mandelbrot
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06-23-2006 16:56
26 replies and not a single coherent answer.
Would any adults like to submit an opinion?
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Chip Midnight
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06-23-2006 17:11
From: Groucho Mandelbrot 26 replies and not a single coherent answer. Would any adults like to submit an opinion? I'd like to point out that no extraterrestrials have attacked the US in the last five years, and that trees haven't become sentient and taken revenge on us for our use of lumber during the Bush administration. Damn our president is good! The fact that there have been no terrorist attacks on US soil during the Bush administration is a meaningless statistic. How many terrorist attacks have there been on US soil in our history? Trying to use the lack of attacks as evidence that Bush's policies are having a positive effect is a logical falacy (which should be obvious to most adults).
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Groucho Mandelbrot
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06-23-2006 17:14
27 and counting...
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Chip Midnight
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06-23-2006 17:21
From: Groucho Mandelbrot 27 and counting... Wow, you really don't get it, do you? Sad.
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Ewan Took
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06-23-2006 17:22
From: Groucho Mandelbrot 26 replies and not a single coherent answer.
Would any adults like to submit an opinion? Let me think....it may be something to do with the question? 
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Groucho Mandelbrot
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06-23-2006 17:27
From: Ewan Took Let me think....it may be something to do with the question?  Of course, it does. Most people, including the vast majority of folks in the sandbox cannot answer a simple direct question if the name "Bush" is in the post. They might dance around the question, but any attempt to pin them down on a concrete answer is futile. More often than not they'll go into an irrelevant rant.
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Joy Honey
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06-23-2006 17:29
Maybe this is why there have been no recent attacks on American soil: From: The American Conservative magazine TAC: Does al-Qaeda have the capacity to launch attacks on the United States, or are they too tied down in Iraq? Or have they made a strategic decision not to attack the United States, and if so, why?
RP: Al-Qaeda appears to have made a deliberate decision not to attack the United States in the short term. We know this not only from the pattern of their attacks but because we have an actual al-Qaeda planning document found by Norwegian intelligence. The document says that al-Qaeda should not try to attack the continent of the United States in the short term but instead should focus its energies on hitting America’s allies in order to try to split the coalition.
What the document then goes on to do is analyze whether they should hit Britain, Poland, or Spain. It concludes that they should hit Spain just before the March 2004 elections because, and I am quoting almost verbatim: Spain could not withstand two, maximum three, blows before withdrawing from the coalition, and then others would fall like dominoes.
That is exactly what happened. Six months after the document was produced, al-Qaeda attacked Spain in Madrid. That caused Spain to withdraw from the coalition. Others have followed. So al-Qaeda certainly has demonstrated the capacity to attack and in fact they have done over 15 suicide-terrorist attacks since 2002, more than all the years before 9/11 combined. Al-Qaeda is not weaker now. Al-Qaeda is stronger. http://www.amconmag.com/2005_07_18/article.html
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Groucho Mandelbrot
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06-23-2006 17:30
From: Chip Midnight Wow, you really don't get it, do you? Sad. Apparently I don't get it. Why won't you answer my questions? Most specifically: Are we going to judge people solely on results or the wisdom of their decisions? And shouldn't we be consistent?
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Chip Midnight
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06-23-2006 18:02
From: Groucho Mandelbrot Apparently I don't get it. Why won't you answer my questions? Most specifically: Are we going to judge people solely on results or the wisdom of their decisions? And shouldn't we be consistent? That's like asking if employers should judge employees on their job performance. Gee, that's a hard one. Let me think about that for a nanosecond. Bush and his administration have done a terrible job and have made incredibly unwise decisions, the results of which we'll be dealing with for decades to come. Holding up the lack of terrorist attacks in the US since 9/11 as if it's somehow supposed to vindicate Bush is, as explained earlier, a logical fallacy. You're not asking an honest question. You're making an illogical assertion disguised as a question.
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Joy Honey
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06-23-2006 18:07
From: Chip Midnight That's like asking if employers should judge employees on their job performance. Gee, that's a hard one. Let me think about that for a nanosecond. Bush and his administration have done a terrible job and have made incredibly unwise decisions, the results of which we'll be dealing with for decades to come. Holding up the lack of terrorist attacks in the US since 9/11 as if it's somehow supposed to vindicate Bush is, as explained earlier, a logical fallacy. You're not asking an honest question. You're making an illogical assertion disguised as a question. My favorite thing from Congress this week - not raising minimum wage while giving themselves pay raises - oh wait, that's a cost of living increase, my bad 
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Groucho Mandelbrot
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06-23-2006 18:15
From: Chip Midnight That's like asking if employers should judge employees on their job performance. Gee, that's a hard one. Let me think about that for a nanosecond. Bush and his administration have done a terrible job and have made incredibly unwise decisions, the results of which we'll be dealing with for decades to come. Holding up the lack of terrorist attacks in the US since 9/11 as if it's somehow supposed to vindicate Bush is, as explained earlier, a logical fallacy. You're not asking an honest question. You're making an illogical assertion disguised as a question. Up to over 30 irrelevant responses now. (I don't count Ewan, because he actually had a cogent point, even though he didn't answer the questions.) You make every possible assumption about the devious nature of my question. You have already concluded my positions, based on lord only knows what, and are doing everything you can to avoid answering the direct questions put to you. What are you afraid of? That I might twist your answer into a contradiction? It reminds me of the clueless cashier who thinks I'm pulling a fast one when I give her $21 for an $11 purchase. You would make a fine politician. (but a lousy manager, based on how you judge job performance) Out of curiosity please state explicitly what my supposed assertion is. I really don't think you have a clue.
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Chip Midnight
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06-23-2006 18:19
From: Groucho Mandelbrot Out of curiosity please state explicitly what my supposed assertion is. I really don't think you have a clue. Why don't you make a point so that it can be addressed? Any one at all will do.
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Joy Honey
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06-23-2006 18:24
From: Groucho Mandelbrot Up to over 30 irrelevant responses now. (I don't count Ewan, because he actually had a cogent point, even though he didn't answer the questions.)
You make every possible assumption about the devious nature of my question. You have already concluded my positions, based on lord only knows what, and are doing everything you can to avoid answering the direct questions put to you. What are you afraid of? That I might twist your answer into a contradiction?
It reminds me of the clueless cashier who thinks I'm pulling a fast one when I give her $21 for an $11 purchase.
You would make a fine politician. (but a lousy manager, based on how you judge job performance)
Out of curiosity please state explicitly what my supposed assertion is. I really don't think you have a clue. Are you wondering why many of us are not falling all over ourselves to say what a wonderful job Bush is doing? Many of us don't believe he is doing a good job, or even a fair job. As I linked earlier - it doesn't really appear to be any policies of this administration causing "no attacks on US soil since 9/11." It appears to come from the terrorists themselves.... go figure.
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Groucho Mandelbrot
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06-23-2006 18:26
From: Chip Midnight Why don't you make a point so that it can be addressed? Any one at all will do. I already have. If you look at my first post without your anti-Bush, anti-war goggles on you might find it. Or, if you are too dense to figure it out on your own, then by all means answer the questions honestly and I'll walk you through it.
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Groucho Mandelbrot
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06-23-2006 18:28
From: Joy Honey Are you wondering why many of us are not falling all over ourselves to say what a wonderful job Bush is doing? Many of us don't believe he is doing a good job, or even a fair job. As I linked earlier - it doesn't really appear to be any policies of this administration causing "no attacks on US soil since 9/11." It appears to come from the terrorists themselves.... go figure. 34...
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Joy Honey
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06-23-2006 18:29
From: Groucho Mandelbrot 34... So you don't think that people should disagree with Bush or any of his policies? Thanks for clearing that up.
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06-23-2006 18:31
From: Joy Honey So you don't think that people should disagree with Bush or any of his policies? Thanks for clearing that up. 35...
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Chip Midnight
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06-23-2006 18:35
From: Joy Honey So you don't think that people should disagree with Bush or any of his policies? Thanks for clearing that up. No, he's not hearing what he wants to hear, and instead of clarifying whatever point he was trying to make he'd rather impugn the intelligence of anyone who bothers to reply. Or he's just plain trolling. I'm still trying to give the benefit of the doubt.
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Weedy Herbst
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06-23-2006 18:35
From: Groucho Mandelbrot I already have. If you look at my first post without your anti-Bush, anti-war goggles on you might find it.
. I see. Your post is a pro-Bush, anti-liberal rant. Has Bush found the WMDs? Are you greeted as liberators yet? Are these the last throe's of the insurgency? Mission accomplished.
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Groucho Mandelbrot
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06-23-2006 18:40
From: Weedy Herbst I see.
Your post is a pro-Bush, anti-liberal rant.
Has Bush found the WMDs? Are you greeted as liberators yet? Are these the last throe's of the insurgency?
Mission accomplished. 37... Anyone want to throw in cracks about Dubya's military "career" or history of drug problems?
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Chip Midnight
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06-23-2006 18:52
It's fun watching the Bush supporters start to lose their marbles. I think the strain of having to tie their brains into such intellectual pretzels is finally starting to get to them. Are we witnessing your breakdown, Groucho?
Does not compute. Warning. Danger. Heap Overflow Error. Reboot. Reboot.
Oh, and 38.
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Craig Absolute
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06-23-2006 18:54
You actually asked three questions. 1. From: someone Why does the Bush administration get all the blame when things go badly in Iraq, but get no credit for preventing any major terrorist activity in America over the last 5 years?
The Bush administration gets all the blame when things go badly in Iraq because they decided to go into Iraq with no idea of how to get back out (no exit strategy), and they get no credit for preventing any major terrorist activity in America over the last 5 years because there is no real evidence that there have been any major terrorist attacks planned in the last 5 years, as al-Qaeda is not generally in the habit of announcing when their plans have been foiled, if in fact they have been foiled. 2. From: someone Are we going to judge people solely on results or the wisdom of their decisions?
What credible technique is there to judge their decisions by than the results? 3. From: someone And shouldn't we be consistent?
As far as I can tell, the judgement has been consistent.
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