Even if there were any correlation between the spread of HIV and homosexuality in particular, it is because we live in a society that ostricizes homosexuality to a degree that people deny it of themselves. When homosexuals finally "come out" aftetr an experience like that, I'd imagine that the result would be similar to when a catholic school girl goes to a secular college. Ankles-in-the-air exploration and experimentation, which would be your source of increased figures.
ANd there is no "compromise" in regards to freedom. Civil Unions don't have the same rights as marriages, and even if they did, calling it something different in the first place makes it descriminatory.
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06-04-2006 07:35
What do you mean by Civil union? Would they have exactly the same rights and responsibilities of marriage? If they don't, why not? If they do... then if it walks like a duck and talks like a duck... Same rights and obligations. Just one is for couples of opposite gender. Although the government would likely ban gays from adopting still. The reason it would be a different name is to appease those who reject gay marriage. They are clearly the majority, so the government will listen to them to gain votes. |
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06-04-2006 07:58
Same rights and obligations. Just one is for couples of opposite gender. The reason it would be a different name is to appease those who reject gay marriage. They are clearly the majority, so the government will listen to them to gain votes. Yes I can understand the need to need to trick closed minded people. The problem is that once you make the distinction these same closed minded people can start making distinctions between marriage and civil union. For example: Although the government would likely ban gays from adopting still. I'm not up on adoption law; how many places have government bans on adoption by gay couples? _____________________
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Kevn Klein
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Yes I can understand the need to need to trick closed minded people. The problem is that once you make the distinction these same closed minded people can start making distinctions between marriage and civil union. For example: I'm not up on adoption law; how many places have government bans on adoption by gay couples? As far as I know every state bans gay adoption in the USA, but I may be wrong. Left leaning states like NY and California might have change to accept it. |
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As far as I know every state bans gay adoption in the USA, but I may be wrong. Left leaning states like NY and California might have change to accept it. How do you account for all the gay couples that have children? They didn't all come from overseas. Didn't you see the White House on Easter?  Briana Dawson |
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Zuzu Fassbinder
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As far as I know every state bans gay adoption in the USA, but I may be wrong. Left leaning states like NY and California might have change to accept it. If you trust wiki, they say: "Within the U.S., California, Massachusetts, New Jersey, New Mexico, New York, Ohio, Vermont, Washington state, Wisconsin, and Washington, D.C. allow adoption by same-sex couples. Florida is the only state that completely prohibits adoption by same-sex couples. Mississippi, Oklahoma, Colorado and Utah all make adoption by same-sex couples virtually impossible. Critics of anti-gay adoption policies also point out that in many of the states that have bans on adoption by same-sex couples, these same couples are still able to act as foster parents." the wiki also points to this link: Gay and Lesbian Adoptive Parents: Resources for Professionals and Parents-What the Law Says _____________________
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As far as I know every state bans gay adoption in the USA, but I may be wrong. Left leaning states like NY and California might have change to accept it. I think you should revise that comment, as Florida is the only state that outright bans gay adoptions. Go figure. _____________________
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06-04-2006 13:00
I think you should revise that comment, as Florida is the only state that outright bans gay adoptions. Go figure. Well, according to this website "Only four states, Vermont, New Jersey, Massachusetts and California permit same sex couple adoption." http://lesbianlife.about.com/cs/families/a/adoption.htm |
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06-04-2006 13:27
Well, according to this website "Only four states, Vermont, New Jersey, Massachusetts and California permit same sex couple adoption." http://lesbianlife.about.com/cs/families/a/adoption.htm Yes, couples adoption.. but AFAIK the only state that has a ban on ANY kind of adoption by homosexuals is Florida. http://gaylife.about.com/od/gayparentingadoption/a/gaycoupleadopt.htm _____________________
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06-04-2006 13:28
Well, according to this website "Only four states, Vermont, New Jersey, Massachusetts and California permit same sex couple adoption." http://lesbianlife.about.com/cs/families/a/adoption.htm I can't tell when that was written, is it more recent than the document I linked from 2000? _____________________
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Juro Kothari
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06-04-2006 18:03
Well, according to this website "Only four states, Vermont, New Jersey, Massachusetts and California permit same sex couple adoption." http://lesbianlife.about.com/cs/families/a/adoption.htm The only state than bans adoptions by gay individuals or couples is Florida. Again, go figure. All other states allow adoptions by gay parents, though some only allow for single gay parents, not couples. Though, most of those will allow for the other parent to petition for adoption at a later time. 9 states allow for adoptions by couples. Also, the estimation for gay population in the U.S. is around 25 million. The estimated number of children (adopted or biological) being raised in gay households is 6-14 million. The problem with trying to find a good, solid number for the gay population is that many are unwilling to identify as such when asked, especially in states in the midwest and south. _____________________
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