The Basic Laws of Human Stupidity
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Kevn Klein
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12-23-2005 17:31
From: Stankleberry Sullivan I've never understood this sort of logic. There are many people that are stupid about things. Just because someone tells them the truth about their situation, it doesn't mean the person telling them has some sort of ego issues. Some people are just stupid. I think it's presumptuous to think of others as stupid. I would have you trade places with them for a day. What some people think of as smart is not really smart at all. Things may turn out to be the opposite of what they seem. My personal belief is it's natural as a child to think others are stupid. Most teenagers will tell you how stupid adults are. But as we mature, we see our parents weren't so stupid after all. Being humble, not assuming the worst of others, and learning to accept others without judgement will lead to better relations with others. Saying someone is stupid because they disagree with your beliefs doesn't further the debate, and no one learns anything in the exchange. These are my opinions, only opinions 
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Perduto Pontoppidan
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12-23-2005 17:35
From: Stankleberry Sullivan Nothing that anyone ever does is removed from that need. Everything anyone ever does is done for selfish reasons in the end.
It's wrong to not tell a stupid person that they're stupid. It is the only way that they have a chance of seeing that they aren't smart about things. I pity and I weep for you.
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Chance Abattoir
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12-23-2005 17:36
From: Kevn Klein Being humble, not assuming the worst of others, and learning to accept others without judgement will lead to better relations with others. Saying someone is stupid because they disagree with your beliefs doesn't further the debate, and no one learns anything in the exchange. These are my opinions, only opinions  I don't think you need to not assume the worst of others. Figuring out people's motivations and truly understanding how everyone is a selfish cow does more to make you tolerant than striving to be humble does.  Striving to be humble as an ideal makes people passive-aggressive.
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Stankleberry Sullivan
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12-23-2005 17:47
From: Chance Abattoir Excellent. I agree with the first paragraph.
As for the second, why is it wrong if not for selfish reasons? The selfish we're talking about isn't "wrong", otherwise everything anyone ever does is "wrong".
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Stankleberry Sullivan
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12-23-2005 17:48
From: Perduto Pontoppidan You just denied all credibility for all of your stances and posts.Welcome to the Monkey House. The fact that you really think that I give a crap if I have any credibility with you shows how completely disconnected you are from reality.
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Chance Abattoir
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12-23-2005 17:52
From: Stankleberry Sullivan The selfish we're talking about isn't "wrong", otherwise everything anyone ever does is "wrong". I didn't claim it was "wrong." I don't even believe in good and evil in those terms of "right and wrong." I wasn't trying to construe selfishness as a bad thing at all. You said it was wrong not to tell them, so I was just using your words.
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Stankleberry Sullivan
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12-23-2005 17:57
From: Chance Abattoir I didn't claim it was "wrong." I don't even believe in good and evil in those terms of "right and wrong." I wasn't trying to construe selfishness as a bad thing at all. You said it was wrong not to tell them, so I was just using your words. Yea, it's wrong to not tell someone the truth about themselves if they don't know about it. Knowing is half the battle.
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Chance Abattoir
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12-23-2005 18:09
From: Stankleberry Sullivan Yea, it's wrong to not tell someone the truth about themselves if they don't know about it. Knowing is half the battle. But sometimes it feels more emotionally satisfying to let some people believe that their behavior is okay so that, rather than take account of what horrible people they are, they will continue behaving in that manner until they happen upon someone who vehemently hates people like that... who then beats them to a bloody pulp. Kind of like what will happen to the neighbor who came pounding on my door while on meth at 6am on Sunday, trying to get me to fight him, who then didn't remember anything about it the next day. 
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Kevn Klein
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12-23-2005 19:28
From: Chance Abattoir I don't think you need to not assume the worst of others. Figuring out people's motivations and truly understanding how everyone is a selfish cow does more to make you tolerant than striving to be humble does.  Striving to be humble as an ideal makes people passive-aggressive. I'll have to agree to disagree. I think one can understand others without assuming they are selfish cows. Lets make sure we agree on the term "humble". My definition is "Marked by meekness or modesty in behavior, attitude, or spirit; not arrogant or prideful." If humility means not arrogant or prideful, striving to be humble would make one less arrogant and prideful. Now lets define passive-aggressive as "Of, relating to, or having a personality disorder characterized by habitual passive resistance to demands for adequate performance in occupational or social situations, as by procrastination, stubbornness, sullenness, and inefficiency." How do you suppose being humble would lead one to having a personality disorder characterized by habitual passive resistance to demands for adequate performance in occupational or social situations, as by procrastination, stubbornness, sullenness, and inefficiency? Humility is a sign of acceptance, a humble man is much more accepting than an arrogant man. Humble people seek to be helpful, but some suspicious people question the motives of others because their own motives are questionable. This is only my most humble opinion. Or maybe it's my passive-aggressive personality disorder pretending to be a humble opinion. I guess it depends on ones viewpoint.
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Chance Abattoir
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I feel dirty for quoting the dictionary.
12-24-2005 17:31
From: Kevn Klein Lets make sure we agree on the term "humble".
How do you suppose being humble would lead one to having a personality disorder characterized by habitual passive resistance to demands for adequate performance in occupational or social situations, as by procrastination, stubbornness, sullenness, and inefficiency?
From: Webster:Main Entry:passive-aggressive being, marked by, or displaying behavior characterized by expression of negative feelings, resentment, and aggression in an unassertive passive way (as through procrastination and stubbornness)
From: Webster:Main Entry:humble 1 : not proud or haughty : not arrogant or assertive 2 : reflecting, expressing, or offered in a spirit of deference or submission
Seeking to be humble in an idealistic fashion, when one's personality isn't naturally bent toward an acutely submissive role, causes pent-up frustration and resentment for not asserting oneself when one should. This manifests in passive-aggressive behavior. Wrath and aggression are important parts of our existence and denying them can be as harmful as indulging in them. Merry Christmas.
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Kevn Klein
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12-25-2005 06:29
Feel free to be arrogant, if that's what makes you happy. Just don't expect me to be impressed. Arrogance is a sign of one who lacks self-esteem imho.  Oh, and Merry Christmas. Happy New Years!
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