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Kevn Klein
God is Love!
Join date: 5 Nov 2004
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01-30-2006 08:31
When your body dies, and is buried, are you worm food, or do you continue to live in another realm Is there anything after your body dies?
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Chip Midnight
ate my baby!
Join date: 1 May 2003
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01-30-2006 08:58
In a metaphorical sense you'll live on in the memories of those who outlive you. In a practical sense, nope. When your brain shuts down that's all she wrote. Of course none of us will know for sure until we keel over, and most likely not then either. Hard to "know" anything when your organ for knowing no longer functions.
When I die I'd like someone to dig a hole, throw me in, fill it up, and plant a tree. Being fertilizer for something that may live a few hundred years doesn't sound like a bad way to take an exit. ![]() I can't really imagine anything less stressful than non-existence so it's not something I worry about. I just don't want to suffer first. _____________________
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Lecktor Hannibal
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Join date: 1 Jul 2004
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01-30-2006 09:04
As long as your assigned reaper shows up and pops your soul all is good. If they don't it's worm food baby.
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Lucifer Baphomet
Postmodern Demon
Join date: 8 Sep 2005
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01-30-2006 09:05
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Aspen Normandy
Registered User
Join date: 25 Nov 2005
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01-30-2006 09:13
The summary of my thoughts is thus:
It is not scientific to believe in an afterlife anymore than any godlike figure or apparition. That said, such beliefs lack falsifiability, and cannot be disproven, either. I prefer sticking to a scientific approach to believing in things like this. As such, I do not accept them as true. _____________________
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Lorelei Patel
was here
Join date: 22 Feb 2004
Posts: 1,940
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01-30-2006 09:14
Do you believe in life after love? I can hear something inside me say, I really don't think you're strong enough.
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Joy Honey
Not just another dumass
Join date: 17 Jun 2005
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01-30-2006 09:17
Well... if it weren't for Elvis and JFK, Bubba Ho-Tep could come along and suck your soul out and there would definitely be nothing after
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Kevn Klein
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01-30-2006 09:18
.... ..... I just don't want to suffer first. I have heard that when in surgery, you feel pain, but the drugs don't let you remember. If you don't exist after death, why would it matter if you suffered first? There would be no memory of suffering. |
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Kevn Klein
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01-30-2006 09:20
The summary of my thoughts is thus: It is not scientific to believe in an afterlife anymore than any godlike figure or apparition. That said, such beliefs lack falsifiability, and cannot be disproven, either. I prefer sticking to a scientific approach to believing in things like this. As such, I do not accept them as true. Then are you saying you only believe what can be verified scientifically? |
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Juro Kothari
Like a dog on a bone
Join date: 4 Sep 2003
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01-30-2006 09:20
I have heard that when in surgery, you feel pain, but the drugs don't let you remember. If you don't exist after death, why would it matter if you suffered first? There would be no memory of suffering. Probably because you have to go *through* the suffering. I wouldn't want to either. _____________________
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Gabe Lippmann
"Phone's ringing, Dude."
Join date: 14 Jun 2004
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01-30-2006 09:25
Do you believe in life after love? I can hear something inside me say, I really don't think you're strong enough. This was almost enough to make me go lock myself in the handicap bathroom and find out for sure right now. Thank god Joy's Bubba Ho-Tep comment pulled me in off the ledge. To answer the question, you will be reincarnated as a mosquito. _____________________
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Hiro Queso
503less
Join date: 23 Feb 2005
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01-30-2006 09:41
I beleive in worm food after death
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Chip Midnight
ate my baby!
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Posts: 10,231
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01-30-2006 10:00
Probably because you have to go *through* the suffering. I wouldn't want to either. Bingo! _____________________
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Rose Karuna
Lizard Doctor
Join date: 5 Jun 2004
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01-30-2006 10:21
I miss Dead Like Me ![]() Me too - had to be one of the best written shows ever! _____________________
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Lecktor Hannibal
YOUR MOM
Join date: 1 Jul 2004
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01-30-2006 10:22
I just discovered it on netflix.
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Lorelei Patel
was here
Join date: 22 Feb 2004
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01-30-2006 10:23
This was almost enough to make me go lock myself in the handicap bathroom and find out for sure right now. YAY! Precisely the reaction i was going for! _____________________
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Dark Korvin
Player in the RL game
Join date: 13 Jun 2005
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01-30-2006 10:24
Of course none of us will know for sure until we keel over, and most likely not then either. Hard to "know" anything when your organ for knowing no longer functions. I personally wonder if the brain is the organ of sentience. We can watch it function like billions of computer processors running at around 60Hz, but how do you observe the flashes of elctricity functioning as sentience. We know that emotions and responses are related to chemical and electrical reactions in our body, but can we say with 100% certainty that the issue of sentience does not go deeper than the physical when anything deeper would be beyond observation by definition. Sorry, just a mix of reading Flatland, Sphereland, thinking about quantum physics, and learning that Wolf Spiders are believed to have perfect memories with a brain the size of the tip of a pin. Maybe, I'm just crazy, but these things put together get me thinking about whether the physical observable world is the complete story of existance. The summary of my thoughts is thus: It is not scientific to believe in an afterlife anymore than any godlike figure or apparition. That said, such beliefs lack falsifiability, and cannot be disproven, either. I prefer sticking to a scientific approach to believing in things like this. As such, I do not accept them as true. If you can't prove it to be true or false, then how can you believe the scientific answer is that it is not true? This is something beyond observation. You can't use science to come up with conclusions about the unobservable outcome of a soul that by definition can't be observed. You don't experience a after life existence or the lack of one until you die, so how do you go about coming up with a scientific conclusion. The best you can do is say that every living physical thing dies. The unanswerable question is if we are nothing more than the physical we can observe. |
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Lucifer Baphomet
Postmodern Demon
Join date: 8 Sep 2005
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01-30-2006 10:45
Im actually more interested in people having Quality of life, while they're here, rather than speculation on the unknowable, and unverifiable.
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Cartridge Partridge
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Join date: 13 Sep 2004
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01-30-2006 10:59
I don't see the Pie option in this poll.
And i am deadly serious about it, this time (in fact, some of the posts here seem a Pie option...). I know it's beyond observation. So, i don't really care. Dark, there's difference between not believeing in something and saying it is not true. (Anyway, i feel the worm food option is the most luckily. I'd still vote Pie - or MU - if i had found it in the poll) |
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Eggy Lippmann
Wiktator
Join date: 1 May 2003
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01-30-2006 11:00
Why waste time with details. Let's go straight for the general case.
If you ask me, "Do you believe in X?", I will always reply: No, I do not "believe" in anything, because it is not rational or logical to "believe" in things. Man took over the earth and rose above other animals because he was capable of rational and logical thought. Because he observed the world, figured out how it worked, and built the tools to manipulate it and make life easier. The former went on to become Science, the latter went on to become Technology. Please note I made no mention of Religion, and that I do not want to get involved in yet another debate on these issues. Just stating my POV, in answer to your question. I believe it is a familiar POV to you, as is yours to me. A more interesting study would be to see the correlation between belief in "something" like a deity and belief in "something" like an afterlife. _____________________
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Gabe Lippmann
"Phone's ringing, Dude."
Join date: 14 Jun 2004
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01-30-2006 11:20
No, I do not "believe" in anything, because it is not rational or logical to "believe" in things. I believe it is a familiar POV to you, as is yours to me. Seriously, though, man does not understand how the world works. What man has is a general framework, discounting for all unknown factors and outlier results. This framework works in a narrow corridor and explains in an inexact, but generally predictable way, "how the world works". Man does not have, by any means, a definitive, clear cut understanding of how the world works. _____________________
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Juro Kothari
Like a dog on a bone
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01-30-2006 11:29
Seriously, though, man does not understand how the world works. What man has is a general framework, discounting for all unknown factors and outlier results. This framework works in a narrow corridor and explains in an inexact, but generally predictable way, "how the world works". Man does not have, by any means, a definitive, clear cut understanding of how the world works. Bleh. Not true. Grid monkey turns power switch on - world is up. Grid monkey turns switch off - world is down. It's that simple. ![]() _____________________
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Chip Midnight
ate my baby!
Join date: 1 May 2003
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01-30-2006 11:36
Sorry, just a mix of reading Flatland, Sphereland, thinking about quantum physics, and learning that Wolf Spiders are believed to have perfect memories with a brain the size of the tip of a pin. Maybe, I'm just crazy, but these things put together get me thinking about whether the physical observable world is the complete story of existance. Ack! I didn't need to know that about wolf spiders. That means the ones I've tried to kill in my basement that get away are probably holding a grudge and plotting to attack me in my sleep for revenge. I personally think the correlation between brain size and intelligence will prove to be a false one and that our whole concept of intelligence is too solipsistic to fully grasp or quantify its varied forms. The physical/observable world may very well not be all there is to sentience or intelligence but that doesn't necessitate belief in the supernatural or anthropomorphizing the natural world. In my opinion the notion of life after death is inherantly driven by ego and fear of death (which together foment all religious belief). _____________________
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Kevn Klein
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01-30-2006 11:53
....... ......... In my opinion the notion of life after death is inherantly driven by ego and fear of death (which together foment all religious belief). My opinion is the opposite, there are people who would fear life after life. If there is a God, there would be absolutes, and therefore there would be someone to hold us responsible for our actions. Or, perhaps there is the fear of continued suffering. If there is no life after death, there would be no possibility to suffer. No sadness, hunger, boredom etc etc. I'm sure those who believe there is no afterlife have doubts about that belief, just as those who believe in an afterlife have doubts. I assume those doubts are troubling to both sides. |
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Lecktor Hannibal
YOUR MOM
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01-30-2006 11:56
If there is an afterlife I hope they have Harleys !
Seeing how that is probably how I'll buy it, this is a valid wish. _____________________
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