Tell Senator Cornyn: Wiretap Hearings Before Alito
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Paolo Portocarrero
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01-04-2006 13:26
http://www.workingforchange.com/activism/action.cfm?itemid=20149&afccode=n18txt Tell Senator Cornyn: Wiretap Hearings Before AlitoContributed by Working Assets
President Bush's stunning admission that he authorized secret eavesdropping on Americans -- in apparent violation of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) -- has prompted bipartisan calls for hearings in Congress to investigate how this happened and whether or not the President broke the law. The Senate Judiciary Committee -- responsible for the Department of Justice, FBI and FISA procedures -- has oversight authority in this matter.
However, despite the shocking revelations of potential presidential lawbreaking, the first item on the Judiciary Committee's agenda in the new year remains confirmation hearings for Samuel Alito. Alito's hearings are not urgent; Justice O'Connor has stated her willingness to continue serving on the Supreme Court until a successor is confirmed.
What is urgent is getting to the bottom of the President's conduct, and determining whether it represents an impeachable offense.
Therefore, we are calling on Senator Cornyn and the other Senators on the Judiciary Committee to postpone the Alito hearings, and immediately begin investigating the constitutionality and legality of the President's secret wiretapping orders. Our civil liberties have been fundamentally violated by a President and administration who believe the rule of law does not apply to them. Holding the President accountable before the law is certainly a more urgent matter than replacing a still-serving Supreme Court justice. Because Senator Cornyn sits on the Judiciary Committee, it is urgent that you make your voice heard on this issue -- so act today!
Call to action
Write Senator Cornyn to request that the Judiciary Committee postpone the Alito confirmation hearings and instead hold hearings on whether the President broke the law.
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01-04-2006 13:32
Contact information can be found here: http://www.cornyn.senate.gov/contact/index_1.htmlSend mail or faxes to the Dallas office. Occidental Tower 5005 LBJ Freeway Suite 1150 Dallas, Texas 75244 Tel: 972-239-1310 Fax: 972-239-2110 ~Ulrika~
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Rose Karuna
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01-04-2006 13:43
Senator Bill Nelson
716 HART SENATE OFFICE BUILDING WASHINGTON DC 20510 (202) 224-5274 Web Form: billnelson.senate.gov/contact/index.cfm#email
Edited to say that I'd contact my local senator also, I think that's important.
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Ulrika Zugzwang
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01-04-2006 13:48
I sent four faxes. One as myself and the other as my avatar to Cornyn and my Senator.  MacOS is so easy. I just opened up Pages, selected a blank fax, cut and pasted the parent post, added my information, and selected "Print > PDF... > FAX". I was done in five minutes.  ~Ulrika~
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Tell Whiny Democrats:
01-04-2006 14:14
When the Republicans have the presidency and a majority in the Senate, they get to choose new Supreme Court justices, no matter how much whining and crying you do.
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01-04-2006 14:16
From: Paolo Portocarrero President Bush's stunning admission that he authorized secret eavesdropping on Americans -- in apparent violation of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) -- has prompted bipartisan calls for hearings in Congress to investigate how this happened and whether or not the President broke the law. The Senate Judiciary Committee -- responsible for the Department of Justice, FBI and FISA procedures -- has oversight authority in this matter. The Democrats must really be kicking themselves for letting the hardcore hippies take over their party. Did you see that poll a couple of weeks ago about how people felt about this? Americans are very happy that the government is listening to conversations between known Al Qaeda terrorists and the people they are communicating with inside the US. You have a hard time understanding that very simple logic, though, because you truly believe that Republicans and George Bush are much more dangerous than Al Qaeda. You have a sickness.
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Joy Honey
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01-04-2006 14:18
From: Stankleberry Sullivan The Democrats must really be kicking themselves for letting the hardcore hippies take over their party. Did you see that poll a couple of weeks ago about how people felt about this? Americans are very happy that the government is listening to conversations between known Al Qaeda terrorists and the people they are communicating with inside the US. You have a hard time understanding that very simple logic, though, because you truly believe that Republicans and George Bush are much more dangerous than Al Qaeda. You have a sickness. What kept them from getting a warrant? If these were "known terrorists" there should have been absolutely NO PROBLEM getting warrants... damn hippies and their damn due process.
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01-04-2006 14:24
From: Joy Honey What kept them from getting a warrant? If these were "known terrorists" there should have been absolutely NO PROBLEM getting warrants... damn hippies and their damn due process. Here's how it works. The US finds out the phone number of a terrorist. They start listening to his calls. They don't know who he's going to call. When he makes a call to America, what do you think the spies should do? Hang up, go to the judge, get a warrant, then pick the call back up and hope that they're still talking two days later? Doesn't that sound pretty silly to you? Warrants are always gotten on any tapping done on calls originating in the US, or any calls between two places in the US. It's not necessary to get a warrant to listen in on a conversation between someone in the US and someone outside of the country. Period. Pretty simple, when you stop and think about it for a second instead of letting your hatred of George Bush do your "thinking" for you.
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Cid Jacobs
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01-04-2006 14:27
From: Stankleberry Sullivan Here's how it works. The US finds out the phone number of a terrorist. They start listening to his calls. They don't know who he's going to call. When he makes a call to America, what do you think the spies should do? Hang up, go to the judge, get a warrant, then pick the call back up and hope that they're still talking two days later? Doesn't that sound pretty silly to you? They can get warrents after, the call is made. Der.
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Joy Honey
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01-04-2006 14:33
From: Stankleberry Sullivan Here's how it works. The US finds out the phone number of a terrorist. They start listening to his calls. They don't know who he's going to call. When he makes a call to America, what do you think the spies should do? Hang up, go to the judge, get a warrant, then pick the call back up and hope that they're still talking two days later? Doesn't that sound pretty silly to you?
Warrants are always gotten on any tapping done on calls originating in the US, or any calls between two places in the US. It's not necessary to get a warrant to listen in on a conversation between someone in the US and someone outside of the country. Period.
Pretty simple, when you stop and think about it for a second instead of letting your hatred of George Bush do your "thinking" for you. Der, no that isn't entirely the way it works, but you go on believing everything Sean Hannity or Rush Limbaugh or Ann Coulter tell you. kthxbye
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Ulrika Zugzwang
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01-04-2006 14:41
Whee! I just sent four more faxes from all the members of my family. I love MacOS. It's so easy to fax.  ~Ulrika~
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01-04-2006 14:44
From: Cid Jacobs They can get warrents after, the call is made. Der. Feel free to show me some examples of the NSA not getting warrants after the fact when they should have. I haven't seen any yet, and I can't find them in Google. All I can find is hysterical hippies whining about things that don't make any sense.
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01-04-2006 14:45
From: Joy Honey Der, no that isn't entirely the way it works, but you go on believing everything Sean Hannity or Rush Limbaugh or Ann Coulter tell you. kthxbye Hahaha, way to address my points. Oh, you can't address my points, so you personally attack me. That's not nice!
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Paolo Portocarrero
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01-04-2006 14:46
From: Stankleberry Sullivan Here's how it works. The US finds out the phone number of a terrorist. They start listening to his calls. They don't know who he's going to call. When he makes a call to America, what do you think the spies should do? Hang up, go to the judge, get a warrant, then pick the call back up and hope that they're still talking two days later? Doesn't that sound pretty silly to you? Warrants are always gotten on any tapping done on calls originating in the US, or any calls between two places in the US. It's not necessary to get a warrant to listen in on a conversation between someone in the US and someone outside of the country. Period. Pretty simple, when you stop and think about it for a second instead of letting your hatred of George Bush do your "thinking" for you.
Um, he kind of (allegedly) broke the law. http://quote.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000039&refer=columnist_woolner&sid=aBlX8IGgHOC4 From: someone ... Secret Order The issue is the legality of Bush's previously secret order in 2001 authorizing the National Security Agency to listen to international calls involving U.S. citizens suspected of ties to terrorism. To do that, the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act of 1978 requires permission from a special, secret court beforehand, with some exceptions. In an emergency, you can tap the line without a court order, as long as you seek one within 72 hours. And in the case of a declared war (this one isn't), you can eavesdrop for 15 days before going to the court. But Bush says he is not restrained by FISA, and this week several commentators agreed, citing a federal appeals court ruling from 2002. Courts have ``held that the President did have inherent authority to conduct warrantless searches to obtain foreign intelligence information,'' the U.S. Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court of Review wrote in a now widely quoted opinion. ``We take for granted that the President does have that authority,'' the court said. ...
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01-04-2006 14:48
From: Stankleberry Sullivan When the Republicans have the presidency and a majority in the Senate, they get to choose new Supreme Court justices, no matter how much whining and crying you do. Stank, seriously. This is a perfect example of a troll-move. Somebody had an opinion and shared some information, another person jumps in with more information -- and you jump in with insults. What was the point of posting this? You're not only a troll, you're a dick. And not because of your views, but because of your tactics. (this is a direct response to your inquiry in this post and thusly should not be considered a personal attack). Congratulations on being the first person who was so purposfully aggrivating that I feel compelled to mute.
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01-04-2006 14:51
The key part of that opinion article is this: Courts have ``held that the President did have inherent authority to conduct warrantless searches to obtain foreign intelligence information,'' the U.S. Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court of Review wrote in a now widely quoted opinion. ``We take for granted that the President does have that authority,'' the court said. The reason there is so much confusion from the left about this is that there are quite a few different laws related to this, but only some of them actually count. The hippies, with their enormous desire to drag down Bush, latch on to any little thing they find and act like it is the worst thing that has ever happened. They've done it over and over again for the last few years. It's pretty pathetic. This is another one of those things. Watch it play out, you'll see.
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Ulrika Zugzwang
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01-04-2006 14:54
From: Taco Rubio Congratulations on being the first person who was so purposfully aggrivating that I feel compelled to mute. Don't mute when an AR can do a better job. I've already made Jeska aware of this disruptive element in the forums and more ARs will serve to hasten its departure.  ~Ulrika~
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01-04-2006 14:56
From: Taco Rubio Stank, seriously. This is a perfect example of a troll-move. Somebody had an opinion and shared some information, another person jumps in with more information -- and you jump in with insults. What was the point of posting this? You're not only a troll, you're a dick. And not because of your views, but because of your tactics. (this is a direct response to your inquiry in this post and thusly should not be considered a personal attack). Congratulations on being the first person who was so purposfully aggrivating that I feel compelled to mute. No, it's not a "troll-move", it is me replying to a post. What does a Supreme Court nominee have to do with this dumb Bush spying story? Nothing, someone just wants to try to delay Alito's hearing until after the 06 elections. It's very transparent. I didn't feel a need to respond with more information, so I said what I felt like saying. Why does that bother you so much? Do I offend you? Most people that don't agree with my views think I'm a dick. I don't mind. It is because of my views, obviously. The tactics I use are pretty good, too, but the views are the real problem. If I used the same tactics but agreed with your views, you would love me. You know you would. Cool, thanks for muting me. Hopefully that means there won't be any whining replies to my posts from you. I doubt you'll really mute me, though.
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01-04-2006 14:57
From: Ulrika Zugzwang Don't mute when an AR can do a better job. I've already made Jeska aware of this disruptive element in the forums and more ARs will serve to hasten its departure.  ~Ulrika~ Hahahaha, IIIIII'MMMM TEELLLLLLINNGG TEEEAACHEEEERRR!!!!
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01-04-2006 15:05
From: Ulrika Zugzwang Don't mute when an AR can do a better job. I've already made Jeska aware of this disruptive element in the forums and more ARs will serve to hasten its departure.  ~Ulrika~ Plenty of AR's from me as well, and the "ol' champ" is about to move on to my ignore list very very soon.
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01-04-2006 15:07
From: Cid Jacobs Plenty of AR's from me as well, and the "ol' champ" is about to move on to my ignore list very very soon. TEACHER TEACHER!! STANKLEBERRY SULLIVAN IS TALKING ABOUT THINGS THAT I DON'T WANT TO BELIEVE ARE TRUE BECAUSE I HATE GEORGE BUSH!!! MAKE HIM STOOOOPPPP!
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01-04-2006 15:07
From: Stankleberry Sullivan Feel free to show me some examples of the NSA not getting warrants after the fact when they should have. Yes, because it makes so much sense that information gathered without a warrant, and denied a warrant, would be tossed out for the public to look through. *sigh*
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01-04-2006 15:07
From: Cid Jacobs Yes, because it makes so much sense that information gathered without a warrant, and denied a warrant, would be tossed out for the public to look through. *sigh* Ah, so why are so many people so sure that this happened? Hmm...
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01-04-2006 15:08
From: Stankleberry Sullivan TEACHER TEACHER!! STANKLEBERRY SULLIVAN IS TALKING ABOUT THINGS THAT I DON'T WANT TO BELIEVE ARE TRUE BECAUSE I HATE GEORGE BUSH!!! MAKE HIM STOOOOPPPP! I don't hate GB, but I wouldn't keep an incompetent employee on the payroll, and I wouldn't fire them because I hate them. You need to grow up.
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Cid Jacobs
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01-04-2006 15:09
From: Stankleberry Sullivan Ah, so why are so many people so sure that this happened? Hmm... Because this information was gathered and NO attempt was made at getting a warrant.... because it was authorized by the president. Der.
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