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Sonogram saves children

Kevn Klein
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09-10-2006 17:32
This article explains how sonograms are being used to save babies...

WASHINGTON — On June 6, Cheryl Smith took her last $600 and drove her teenage daughter from Baltimore to Severna Park, Md., to get an abortion. When they got there, a receptionist told them the clinic had changed hands. The abortion provider had moved a few miles away, she said, but the new clinic would offer a pregnancy test and sonogram for free.

The Smiths stayed. After they saw a picture of the fetus at 21 weeks with arms and legs and a face, their thoughts of termination were gone.

“As soon as I seen that, I was ready. It wasn’t no joke. It was real,” Makiba Smith, 16, said. “It was like, he’s not born to the world yet, but he is inside of me growing.”

With its ultrasound machine and its location, the Severna Park Pregnancy Clinic demonstrates two of the most important tactics in an intensifying campaign to woo women away from abortion clinics.

Anti-abortion organizations in recent years have added medical services to hundreds of Christian-oriented pregnancy counseling centers nationwide. Many of these clinics have opened in or near places where women go to end pregnancies.

“Just like McDonald’s and Starbucks look for competitors to be next to,” the pregnancy centers look to set up “where women will be seeking abortions,” Pam Palumbo said.

Palumbo is executive director of the Bowie Crofton Pregnancy Clinic in Prince George’s County, Md., one of the first anti-abortion pregnancy centers to offer medical services.

There are at least 2,200 anti-abortion pregnancy centers nationwide, a nearly 30 percent jump since 1999, according to Heartbeat International of Columbus, Ohio. The network counts 561 centers that offer medical services, about a quarter of the national total. By comparison, abortion rights advocates estimate there are 1,800 abortion clinics nationwide.

Critics say the proliferation of anti-abortion pregnancy clinics is a dangerous trend, confusing vulnerable women by mixing a seemingly neutral clinical environment with a religious agenda.

“They can set up a waiting room and an exam room, but that doesn’t mean they employ actual medical practices,” said Vicki Saporta, president of the National Abortion Federation, a D.C.-based network of abortion providers.

USING SONOGRAMS

Ultrasound machines, which use sound waves to show real-time pictures of a fetus, are the centerpiece of the pregnancy centers’ medical advances.

Some anti-abortion clinics also offer screening for sexually transmitted infections, and a few offer prenatal care. They typically advocate sexual abstinence until marriage and do not help women obtain contraception.

By many accounts, the ultrasound exams have proven effective in persuading women to stay pregnant. A 2005 survey by Care Net, a Sterling, Va.-based network of about 1,000 anti-abortion pregnancy centers in the United States and Canada, found 72 percent of women who were initially “strongly leaning” toward abortion decided to carry their pregnancies to term after seeing a sonogram.

Such results have led anti-abortion forces to buy more ultrasound machines, which can cost as much as $50,000 each. In the past 2½ years, the evangelical organization Focus on the Family estimates it has helped 200 pregnancy centers buy the machines.

Some funding also comes from taxpayers. About 20 states have designated funding for anti-abortion counseling centers, according to the Chicago-based law firm Americans United for Life. And about a dozen states contribute revenue to such centers through the sale of license plates stamped “Choose Life.”

SOME FEEL DECEIVED

The National Abortion Federation has received hundreds of complaints from women who say they went into pregnancy centers with vague or confusing names, many of them found under “abortion services” headings in the phone book.

Rather than getting unbiased counseling on all of their legal options, these women found themselves listening to frightening, sometimes false, information.

Last year, college student Allyson Kirk, 24, of Manassas, Va., made an appointment at an abortion clinic to talk about her options. When she arrived at the office park, she saw a sign advertising “free pregnancy test” at a center called AAA Women for Choice. She walked in.

After Kirk was shown a video depiction of a fetus’s head severed during a surgical abortion, she walked out.

“I was outraged,” Kirk said. She recalled saying: “This is horrible. I can’t believe you do this to women who are lost and looking for help.”

The abortion clinic, as it turns out, was next door.

For Cheryl and Makiba Smith, ending up at the wrong clinic was a good thing.

In August, they returned to Severna Park for another sonogram, this time with Makiba’s 17-year-old boyfriend, Gregory Byrd.

In the exam room, her fetus filled the monitor once again. The sonogram showed the beating heart, the rib cage, the right hand a tiny fist held close to the face. The fetus yawned, fell asleep, woke up again.

Makiba covered her mouth with her hand, and Gregory stared straight ahead. Their eyes were glued to the screen and the moving image of their future.
Buster Venkman
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09-10-2006 17:50
This post makes me happy.

/me buckles my seatbelt.
Joy Honey
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09-10-2006 17:57
Why, welcome back Kevn. One more for old times' sake?
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Tod69 Talamasca
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09-10-2006 19:25
I like Sonograms!! It Lets you see the kid as the vacuum sucks out bits of it's body- piece by piece. And if its really detailed you can see the lil' sucker open it's mouth trying to scream as Mr. Hoover works towards it, whilst the body twitches spastically.

Heh, I'm sure Ulrika will be posting any second now....

Abortions stay crunchy in Milk :D
Buster Venkman
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09-10-2006 19:46
From: Tod69 Talamasca
I like Sonograms!! [...]
Abortions stay crunchy in Milk :D


lol.

/me carefully reconsiders his stance on abortion in light of Tod69's arguments.
Zuzu Fassbinder
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09-10-2006 19:48
From: Tod69 Talamasca
I like Sonograms!! It Lets you see the kid as the vacuum sucks out bits of it's body- piece by piece. And if its really detailed you can see the lil' sucker open it's mouth trying to scream as Mr. Hoover works towards it, whilst the body twitches spastically.


Yes, also minimizes damage to the woman since you can target the fetus better and avoid damaing her tissue.
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Juro Kothari
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09-10-2006 22:45
From: Kevn Klein

Rather than getting unbiased counseling on all of their legal options, these women found themselves listening to frightening, sometimes false, information.

Let's all feel good about bait-and-switch tactics and handing out false information! :rolleyes:
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09-10-2006 22:56
Meh, who has the energy left for this kind of thread? :(
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09-10-2006 23:46
Kevn you never responded to my blowjob offer. I'm still waiting around.
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09-10-2006 23:58
From: Tod69 Talamasca
I like Sonograms!! It Lets you see the kid as the vacuum sucks out bits of it's body- piece by piece. And if its really detailed you can see the lil' sucker open it's mouth trying to scream as Mr. Hoover works towards it, whilst the body twitches spastically.
Whoa. There's no need for her. You, sir, are the new Ulrika. :D
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09-10-2006 23:59
From: Joshua Nightshade
Kevn you never responded to my blowjob offer. I'm still waiting around.

I can just imagine right next to Lucy Van Pelt's "psychiatric help 5 cents" stand, another stand that says "Christian glory hole, 5 cents"
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09-11-2006 01:32
Kev, where are you going to grandstand now?
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Jillian Callahan
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09-11-2006 02:05
I never chimed in on Kevin's abortion threads before... so I think I'll go ahead and chime in now just to be able to say I did:

I don't support abortion.
I encourage it.

Ok, there ya go. 'nuff said. Ciao!
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09-11-2006 02:55
Ah, the final outcry of the religious weisenheimer, I already wondered if he would be able to resist this opportunity to start a thread that won't be open long enough to give the rest of the residents here a chance to utterly disassemble his arguments.
Listle Huskerdu
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09-11-2006 03:18
I agree with the clinics but only if they give accurate information, abortion is a choice. I dont support it but I have counceled enough rape victims to know that it is something that is needed. I sit on the fence with this one. I would never have one, but I would never tell someone else not to have one either, its down to them and their circumstances and concience.
Obic Malaprop
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09-11-2006 03:27
In some parts of the country with female infantcide like India and China, sonograms also kill children...if they find out that their baby is a female.
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Tod69 Talamasca
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09-11-2006 04:36
From: Uma Bauhaus
Whoa. There's no need for her. You, sir, are the new Ulrika. :D


:eek:

Heh! I feel honored now! :)
Kevn Klein
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09-11-2006 06:38
From: Obic Malaprop
In some parts of the country with female infantcide like India and China, sonograms also kill children...if they find out that their baby is a female.

India and China isn't part of the country. The female babies in those countries are often killed after birth as well, so a sonogram isn't going to kill them any more dead than the after birth killing.
Jo Sapeur
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09-11-2006 07:06
From: Kevn Klein
India and China isn't part of the country. The female babies in those countries are often killed after birth as well, so a sonogram isn't going to kill them any more dead than the after birth killing.


You missed the point....again...
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09-11-2006 08:26
From: Jo Sapeur
Ah, the final outcry of the religious weisenheimer, I already wondered if he would be able to resist this opportunity to start a thread that won't be open long enough to give the rest of the residents here a chance to utterly disassemble his arguments.


Yep. This thread will be aborted today and will never develop into endless pages of silliness. I'll miss the funny pictures.
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09-11-2006 08:57
And in today's news, technology was used to help religious fascists waste peoples' time, money, resources and subject them to unwelcome proselytisation!

Not really news, since religious fascists will use any means even remotely available to them to attempt to enforce their religious values on unbelievers!

The fact that the United States is a secular, legal, free society needs to be obfuscated and argued against at every turn, so that women, poor people, 'ethnics' and young people never forget that they are to be beholden to the "King of Kings"!

Medical decisions should be made by people wholly conversant in 3,000-year-old quasi-health-codes, not modern trained medical doctors!

Abolish liberty today! Claim your serfdom! Swear your fealty, and make America Great*!


(*In this instance, "Great" explicitly means a theocratic oligarchy run by religious extremists who believe the earth is 6,000 years old and cannot pass eighth grade biology.)
Kevn Klein
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09-11-2006 09:05
Some of these "so-called" pro-choice people hate it when people have the information to make an educated decision. The fact these women can see their babies are actually babies and not blobs of cells must really tick them off.

I must say, it pleases me to no end to see these "pro-choicers" whine and cry because pro-lifers have figured out how to outsmart them by simply providing real information to the women.

HA!
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09-11-2006 09:13
From: Kevn Klein
Some of these "so-called" pro-choice people hate it when people have the information to make an educated decision. The fact these women can see their babies are actually babies and not blobs of cells must really tick them off.

I must say, it pleases me to no end to see these "pro-choices" whine and cry because pro-lifers have figured out how to outsmart them by simply providing real information to the women.

HA!


Yeaaaaaahhhhh - "real information" - Like how our medical choices should be made by consulting a doctor - instead of seeing a brochure that has misidentified and deceptive photographs? I know that whenever /I/ go in for a serious orthopaedic surgical procedure, the doctor whips out a picture of /my/ liver to demonstrate to me exactly what the procedure in question is going to do to it. And the doctor spends an inordinate amount of time explaining all the negative consequences, and refuses to discuss any other options with me. ----nnnnnot.

These 'clinics' are not medical providers. They're religious proselytisation fronts set up to waste people's time and seek portray themselves as medical providers, and take advantage of the patient's confusion. All real doctors provide full disclosure to the patient of the consequences of their procedures - it's required by law. These 'clinics' do not provide full disclosure, and are unable to offer or provide medical assistance.

Deceiving women who are seeking actual medical assistance, by setting up proselytisation fronts and forcing real medical providers out of business, is not 'outsmarting' them. It's zergling.
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09-11-2006 09:14
This looks like a fine thread for the baby jesus buttplug!!

http://www.divine-interventions.com/baby.php

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09-11-2006 09:15
Why do you hate the babies, Kevn???

Sonograms hurt little babies!!!

"Anytime we're doing an ultrasound we have to think of risk versus benefit. What clinical question are we trying to answer," Copel said in a telephone interview. "It may be very important to know the exact dating of pregnancy, it's certainly helpful to know the anatomy of the fetus, but we shouldn't be holding a transducer on mom's abdomen for hours and hours and hours."
Rakic's paper said that while the effects of ultrasound in human brain development are not yet known, there are disorders thought to be the result of misplacement of brain cells during their development.
"These disorders range from mental retardation and childhood epilepsy to developmental dyslexia, autism spectrum disorders and schizophrenia," the researchers said.
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