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Resmods: Gimme a Break

Alexin Bismark
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05-21-2006 08:32
From: Surreal Farber


From: Ulrika Zugzwang

Absolute nonsense. Allowing a watermelon-obsessed social butterfly to dictate what individuals can discuss in a forum is absurd. They're here to instill civility not to be thought police. ~Ulrika~


If civility is such a high value for you, why don't you practice it yourself?



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Kevn Klein
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05-21-2006 08:34
From: Ulrika Zugzwang
I actually did notice things have been a bit boring. Has there really been a crackdown on open discussions in the forums? I had always hoped moderators would focus on personal attacks and general cruelty instead of determining what residents can and can't discuss. I would suggest we need referees during a debate rather than overlords that give us an approved list of topics.

~Ulrika~

I remember well, it was you who suggested residents become moderators long ago, in hopes of silencing those with whom you disagreed.

If the moderators truly "would focus on personal attacks and general cruelty instead of determining what residents can and can't discuss" then you wouldn't ever be allow to post here again. You take personal attacks to a new level.

As a moderator in the N'burg forums you would silence those with whom you disagreed (but only if whey were winning a debate with you). You think everyone should agree with you, and if they don't, you attack them personally. Fortunately, most who read these forums see right through the facade you have created.
Dianne Mechanique
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05-21-2006 08:40
From: Ulrika Zugzwang
... I had always hoped moderators would focus on personal attacks and general cruelty instead of determining what residents can and can't discuss. ....
This is pretty much the case now except (as Cybin noted), mistakes can be made.

It's obviously a bit of a judgement call.

Like how does a resmod judge a thread made on a controversial topic made by a resident with a long history of personal attacks and cruelty? And what if some of their history of abuse is centred around discussions of this very same topic?

That's a tuffie! :D

I agree that the moderation could be a little more even handed though, the rules are always being "bent," but only for some people.

Certain individuals can be so intimidating that even when they violate the rule regarding making threads about closed threads, they get clean away with it because the resmods are to scared, to do anything about it. :eek:
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05-21-2006 08:43
From: Briana Dawson
The resmods are full of shit. Especially Zap. :rolleyes:

Briana Dawson


I love you too Briana :D.

Anyway, like Cybin said, its a damned if you do and you're damned if you don't situation. The first thread certainly did warrent closing, it wasn't being respectful of other peoples beliefs. The second one wasn't as far along, but it was headed down the same path and wasn't getting any better.


From: Torley Linden

Religion's never an easy topic to talk about without it getting out of hand, even when humor is used. Please note the Community Standards do say:

Intolerance
Combating intolerance is a cornerstone of Second Life's Community Standards. Actions that marginalize, belittle, or defame individuals or groups inhibit the satisfying exchange of ideas and diminish the Second Life community as whole. The use of derogatory or demeaning language or images in reference to another Resident's race, ethnicity, gender, religion, or sexual orientation is never allowed in Second Life.

Keeping this closed as per the forum Guidelines:

Flaming, Spamming, Trolling – Flaming (posting a message that is intended to incite anger or directly attack a person or persons), Spamming (multiple posts of the same topic or discussion), and Trolling (a post with an intentionally contrary opinion written with the intent of inciting or getting argumentative opinions) are strongly discouraged. If you think your post might be over-reactive, or that it might fall into one of these definitions, please reconsider posting.


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05-21-2006 08:57
From: Dianne Mechanique
This is pretty much the case now except (as Cybin noted), mistakes can be made.

It's obviously a bit of a judgement call.

Like how does a resmod judge a thread made on a controversial topic made by a resident with a long history of personal attacks and cruelty? And what if some of their history of abuse is centred around discussions of this very same topic?

That's a tuffie! :D

I agree that the moderation could be a little more even handed though, the rules are always being "bent," but only for some people.

Certain individuals can be so intimidating that even when they violate the rule regarding making threads about closed threads, they get clean away with it because the resmods are to scared, to do anything about it. :eek:


Personal attacks are a hard one. Not being able to edit out the personal attacks in a thread means we have to decide to close a thread, or leave it open. So you have to weigh up the positive discussion thats going on, against the personal attacks. Obviously if a thread was created as a personal attack, it would be locked.

As for the rules being bent and threads being created about locked topics, please report said threads, it makes it a lot easier to find them. I'm on at very weird times, theres no pattern to it at all :p, so having threads reported really helps.

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Phoenix Psaltery
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05-21-2006 11:18
According to the Dewey Decimal System, religion is in the 200s. Fiction is shelved alphabetically by the last name of the author. :p

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Strife Onizuka
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05-21-2006 14:07
From: Phoenix Psaltery
According to the Dewey Decimal System, religion is in the 200s. Fiction is shelved alphabetically by the last name of the author. :p

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I think you would have to shelve it by editor/translator; being that it's a collection writen by multiple authors.
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Reitsuki Kojima
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05-21-2006 14:13
From: Strife Onizuka
I think you would have to shelve it by editor/translator; being that it's a collection writen by multiple authors.


Besides, the dewey decimal system is being phased out.
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Strife Onizuka
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05-21-2006 14:18
From: Reitsuki Kojima
Besides, the dewey decimal system is being phased out.


Really? what are they replacing it with?

BTW, I agree with Zap, Cybin & Torley.
Must be a slow day; all the AR's are for this thread.
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Truth is a river that is always splitting up into arms that reunite. Islanded between the arms, the inhabitants argue for a lifetime as to which is the main river.
- Cyril Connolly

Without the political will to find common ground, the continual friction of tactic and counter tactic, only creates suspicion and hatred and vengeance, and perpetuates the cycle of violence.
- James Nachtwey
Reitsuki Kojima
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05-21-2006 14:23
From: Strife Onizuka
Really? what are they replacing it with?

BTW, I agree with Zap, Cybin & Torley.


Well, maybe its a regional/situational thing. I know almost all "institutional" libraries, like college libraries for example, use the Library of Congress system. Which was a PITA to learn at first.
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Crissaegrim Clutterbuck
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05-21-2006 16:37
In the Soviet gulag of the Stalinist era, the zeks were often harder on the prisoners than the official jailors were. Happened in the same way among the camps across Europe during the Second World War. A familiar feature of "institutional" life, the inmates on top are usually the cruelest and most supportive of the regime.... ;)
Vivianne Draper
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05-21-2006 17:10
From: Cybin Monde
your thread was really quite harmless in content, perhaps it should have been left alone. again though, <i>it was a pre-emptive move</a> and one that was meant in a manner of consistency.. regardless of the original meaning of either thread.


Cybin I got that you think it might have been a mistake to close that thread and I'm really not jumping on the bandwagon here to give you shit about that.

However I saw this in your response and I had to bring this up. When you make pre-emptive moves against something that <i>might</i> turn bad, then you become the thought poice and not resmods. Either religious threads, in jest or seriousness, are ok, or they are not. If they are ok, then they are ok and in the interest of consisitency, must be left alone until and unless there is an actual problem. Pre-emptive strikes are not ok and will breed the kind of backlash against the resmods that we've seen already.
Toni Bentham
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05-21-2006 19:47
From: Cybin Monde
we're simply trying to keep things even and consistant for all.

Yeah, even and consistent censorship. You may be concerned about trying to be even and consistent, Cybin (and I'm willing to give you, and all the resmods, the benefit of the doubt; it's a tough job that I wouldn't ever want), but we all know LL isn't. If LL were concerned about being even and consistent, they would ban all hate-based symbols and discussion, not just one. Their policies in such areas have led to an atmosphere of distrust in regards to free speech.

Just because a few hyper-sensitive people out there consider any intelligent discussion of religion to be belittling, shouldn't prevent the rest of us from engaging in said conversation. Nobody is ever forced to read a thread, as is often pointed out. If a conversation is too offensive to them, they can guess what? Not read it. It's just that simple.

I'm not saying we should let utter chaos reign, but discussion isn't necessarily belittling. I understand that sometimes the resmods might close a thread out of fear it's trending in the belittling direction more than anything else, but that's really not fair to the rest of us.
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