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Agreed.


Again, only because it has been provided at such cheap levels. Hell, there's a demand for *free* labor, too, but we already decided that was a bad idea, too.


I don't care if you come from England, Japan, or Mexico. If you aren't here legally, then that's a problem. I would say it's *more difficult* for people from modernized countries to stay here legally, by the way, so does that mean it's discrimination against Europeans?


Yes, though are definitions of "fix" vary greatly.

To me, fix means fining companies who hire illegals, and jailing people who knowingly hire them.
To me, fix means a sophisticated entry system to the US to prevent terrorists from coming in.
To me, fix means stepping up the diplomacy with countries that are more than happy to send over people illegally and get revenue from money these people send to relatives back home.
To me, fix means not automatically granting children of illegals citizenship - perhaps legal status, but not full citizenship until they go through naturalization process.
To me, fix means examining our needs, and adjusting our *legal* immegration limits to appropriate levels.
To me, fix means appropriately funding the border patrol. Last time they requested thousands of agents, and got dozens.

What it doesn't mean to me is instantly granting people rights, and holding up a giant "COME ON IN EVERYONE!" sign to the world.

Honest, hard working criminals you mean?

I don't see people struggling to get to the US to work for free.

Not only is it a problem in itself, its also a symptom of a larger problem, which is why I think these protest marchs are important. It serves as a wake-up to people that there is a problem with out *legal* immagration policy.

I see the problem as
--our immagration limits are NOT set to appropriate levels, they are far too low

--this results in a high number of *desireable* illegals in the country. Desireable because they are here to work, they are "good" people and don't cause trouble.

--boarder maintainance becomes more difficult because of the high numbers crossing illeagally, therefore *undesireable* illegals have an easier time coming through.

Therefore, to increase out safety without spending enormous amounts of money on boarder patrol funding we should increase the number of legal immagrants allowed in. As a starting point, it might be a good idea to work toward granting legal status to those illegals who are desireable to allow to stay in the country.

yes, it would be a disaster to put up a huge sign that said:

Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore,
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me.
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!

So it is better to come here legally and have no job than to come illegally and have a job?

and the jobs I see most immigrants working aren't the kinds I see U.S. citizens fighting over.

Can I just say how much I hate this argument?

It is silly and is repeated far to often. The reason U.S. citizens aren't fighting over these jobs is because the wages are artificially low because of illegal immigrant workers. Many of these jobs were respectable jobs held by hard working Americans before the jobs were downgraded by companies looking for cheap labor.

Can I just say how much I hate this argument?

It is silly and is repeated far to often. The reason U.S. citizens aren't fighting over these jobs is because the wages are artificially low because of illegal immigrant workers. Many of these jobs were respectable jobs held by hard working Americans before the jobs were downgraded by companies looking for cheap labor.

II'm not saying that justifies the practice of employing illegals...
I'm just pointing out that each illegal deported isn't going to open a job for a 'legal'.

Pandora's border was opened... and we get cheaper hotels, cheaper restaurants, and a neater, cleaner world.... ethical or not, legal or not, every benefit costs someone something.

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We can't send the illegal immigrants home... uh... flowers by the freeways will die without the armies of landscapers to tend them!

This all baffles me.

I've lived in Germany, France, and Belize. I had to jump through hoops just to be allowed to live there. No way I could get a work permit.

I can't think of a single country that lets you just sneak across the border, get a job illegally, and then gives you tax-supported benefits (like public schooling). Try that in Mexico and you will get a tour of their lovely jails.

Living and working in the U.S. is not a right unless you're a citizen. Even for legal immigrants it's a privilege that can be revoked if you break the law.

Maybe we need to criminalize employers - and ENFORCE it.

My neighbors son was just denied employment at Burger King because he didn't speak spanish. Sadly, speaking english doesn't seem to be a requirement. These jobs would open up for Americans if there were no illegal immigrants to do them. I know this because I saw Americans doing these jobs before.

If you feel Burger King is employing illegal immigrants instead of people legally authorized to work in the U.S.... then talk to that restaurant's general manager and ask for evidence that their employees are allowed to work in the United States legally. If they resist, contact the authorities and explain your concerns.

Big name businesses, like Burger King, typically have strict accounting practices that make hiring illegals very difficult to hide from the IRS. Everything is usually accounted for down to the penny.

If your neighbor's son learned Spanish in High School, he probably would have been hired and he'd have a huge advantage for quick promotion.

I would talk to the restaurant's manager, but I sadlky do not speak Spanish.

What is my neighbor's son chose not to learn Spanish? It is obscene to think that he should know Spanish to work at Burger King. Ob-fucking-scene!

Illegal immigrant will use fake SS numbers to bypass the regulations and allow Burger King and other companies to process their employment.

You just don't get the whole illegal part of this do you?

And I'm sorry that I seem to have gotten you upset over this issue enough that your typing has suffered. I'm just trying to voice an alternate opinion.

Don't flatter yourself.

I was just trying to masturbate to hardcore porn starring illegal immigrant workers while responding to your post.

I try to multi-task whenever possible.