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If all the black citizens of the US automatically get dual citizenship and become African citizens, then I want citizenship in each and every country represented in my ancestry -- the UK, Norway, Germany, Belgium, France, Ireland... all the way back to my first traceable ancestor (ca. 450 CE).
Talk about freakin' ridiculous -- they want to belong to the countries which sold them into slavery, AND WHICH STILL PRACTICE SLAVERY?
ROFLMAO!!!
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Merlyn Bailly
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07-20-2006 14:24
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Musuko Massiel
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07-20-2006 14:36
"If all the black citizens of the US automatically get dual citizenship and become African citizens, then I want citizenship in each and every country represented in my ancestry"
According to that article, they didn't ask for it; they were offered it. Musuko. |
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Jonas Pierterson
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07-20-2006 14:49
To bad you have to choose a single country's citizenship unless you are military in the US. Basically, they can be US citizens or citizens of the other nation, once they reach 18. Otherwise, the US has to backpedal and reinstate the millions of dual citizenships the forced to choose before. Since they can't allow it based on race.
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Lorelei Patel
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07-20-2006 14:56
I don't think that's how it works. From Wikipedia:
Based on the U.S. Department of State regulation on dual citizenship (7 FAM 1162), the Supreme Court of the United States has stated that dual citizenship is a “status long recognized in the law” and that “a person may have and exercise rights of nationality in two countries and be subject to the responsibilities of both. The mere fact he asserts the rights of one citizenship does not without more mean that he renounces the other,” (Kawakita v. U.S., 343 U.S. 717) (1952). _____________________
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Merlyn Bailly
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07-20-2006 14:59
To bad you have to choose a single country's citizenship unless you are military in the US. Basically, they can be US citizens or citizens of the other nation, once they reach 18. Otherwise, the US has to backpedal and reinstate the millions of dual citizenships the forced to choose before. Since they can't allow it based on race. I don't know WHERE you got that, Jonas -- I know lots of people who are dual citizens, and one triple. And no matter what the govts of Africa do, the US govt doesn't have to do a damn thing. _____________________
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Ananda Sandgrain
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07-20-2006 15:45
So you would be able to pay income taxes on two continents! This sounds like a really good deal, if you live in Africa.
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Briana Dawson
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07-20-2006 15:48
http://tinyurl.com/ew7fy If all the black citizens of the US automatically get dual citizenship and become African citizens, then I want citizenship in each and every country represented in my ancestry -- the UK, Norway, Germany, Belgium, France, Ireland... all the way back to my first traceable ancestor (ca. 450 CE). What does it matter if they were to receive dual-citizenship? Big F'ing deal. If you want dual-citizenship in another country, then go to that country and start the process. I don't think you really understood the article or even read it completely. Briana Dawson _____________________
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Alex Fitzsimmons
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07-20-2006 16:53
So do the people of African descent whose ancestors were slavers, rather than slaves, who left Africa also get this?
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Merlyn Bailly
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07-20-2006 18:59
So do the people of African descent whose ancestors were slavers, rather than slaves, who left Africa also get this? I don't think the black slavers left -- they were the tribal chiefs and the Arabs who sold everyone else LITERALLY down the river, and the ones who are STILL RUNNING the slave trade in Africa and the Arab countries. _____________________
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Zach Wolfe
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07-20-2006 20:01
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Alex Fitzsimmons
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07-20-2006 20:05
I don't think the black slavers left -- they were the tribal chiefs and the Arabs who sold everyone else LITERALLY down the river, and the ones who are STILL RUNNING the slave trade in Africa and the Arab countries. Some did. I know they did. I personally know someone descended from black slavers whose ancestors settled in France, who in turn now lives in Canada and has lived in the U.S. in the past. Bear in mind that a group of people as a whole needn't move en masse for some individuals and families to do so. Anyway, I'm curious. Just idly curious, sure, but curious nonetheless. _____________________
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Vares Solvang
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07-20-2006 20:06
http://tinyurl.com/ew7fy If all the black citizens of the US automatically get dual citizenship and become African citizens.... Uhm....Africa isn't a country, so you can't be an "African citizen". _____________________
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Michael Seraph
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07-20-2006 20:55
http://tinyurl.com/ew7fy If all the black citizens of the US automatically get dual citizenship and become African citizens, then I want citizenship in each and every country represented in my ancestry -- the UK, Norway, Germany, Belgium, France, Ireland... all the way back to my first traceable ancestor (ca. 450 CE). Talk about freakin' ridiculous -- they want to belong to the countries which sold them into slavery, AND WHICH STILL PRACTICE SLAVERY? ROFLMAO!!! The "countries which sold them into slavery" didn't exist during the slave trade period. And if you have a parent or grandparent who was an Irish citizen you can get dual citizenship. Other countries have other rules. Why would you think that just because some one else got a certain benefit, you should get it too? Why does this bother you at all? |
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Michael Seraph
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07-20-2006 21:08
I don't think the black slavers left -- they were the tribal chiefs and the Arabs who sold everyone else LITERALLY down the river, and the ones who are STILL RUNNING the slave trade in Africa and the Arab countries. Wow, they must be really really old. |
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Kakashi Okamoto
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07-21-2006 07:22
I dont like the idea of the supported quote at the end of the passage " to see Africa as your home"
I dont mind taking pride in your bloodline heritage, in fact I take great pride in having a lot of German blood in me, but I do not feel that Europe nor Germany is my home. As a natural born American, I place my home and national pride in America, first and foremost and I feel that anyone else who considers themeselves Americans should do the same. |
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07-21-2006 07:41
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Prommus Conover
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07-21-2006 12:21
This undue sense of entitlement has got to stop. Just because someone owned your great-grandfather and made him pick cotton does not mean that you are, by default, due any of this "reparations" BS. It's the same guilt trip the Jews lay on everyone about Israel being theirs because some imaginary guy said so in a book 3,000 years ago.
The other thing that truly irks me is the whole "African-American" moniker. STFU. You're Black. No pretty words are going to change that. Get this, a White kid born of Britsh parents, living in Cairo, who then moves to the US, is "African-American". Same goes for the White guy from South Africa. If you think that having an ancestor that was crammed on a boat and shipped off to the southern US 150 years ago makes you an African citizen, then move there. As for the people that got over this crap after the 14th amendment was signed, we'll be over here if you're wanting to change your mind.  |
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Jonas Pierterson
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07-21-2006 12:29
I don't think that's how it works. From Wikipedia: Ok, I was wrong. No biggie. |
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Vares Solvang
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07-21-2006 12:40
I dont like the idea of the supported quote at the end of the passage " to see Africa as your home" I dont mind taking pride in your bloodline heritage, in fact I take great pride in having a lot of German blood in me, but I do not feel that Europe nor Germany is my home. As a natural born American, I place my home and national pride in America, first and foremost and I feel that anyone else who considers themeselves Americans should do the same. I think everyone in Peru is proud to be an American! (Ecuador too!) _____________________
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Zuzu Fassbinder
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07-21-2006 13:00
This undue sense of entitlement has got to stop. A PR campaign proposed by 12 African countries is a sense of entitlement? The way the article reads to me its a way for african countries to spur interest and investment from people in the US. What am I missing here? How is this entiltement to descendents of former slaves? Is this any different than Isreal extending citizenship rights to anyone of Jewish ancestry? I'm not saying its a great idea, but I don't see where anything you said is relevant to the article in the OP. _____________________
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Briana Dawson
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07-21-2006 13:22
This undue sense of entitlement has got to stop. Just because someone owned your great-grandfather and made him pick cotton does not mean that you are, by default, due any of this "reparations" BS. It's the same guilt trip the Jews lay on everyone about Israel being theirs because some imaginary guy said so in a book 3,000 years ago. The other thing that truly irks me is the whole "African-American" moniker. STFU. You're Black. No pretty words are going to change that. Get this, a White kid born of Britsh parents, living in Cairo, who then moves to the US, is "African-American". Same goes for the White guy from South Africa. If you think that having an ancestor that was crammed on a boat and shipped off to the southern US 150 years ago makes you an African citizen, then move there. As for the people that got over this crap after the 14th amendment was signed, we'll be over here if you're wanting to change your mind. You sound like a closet racist. Why do you care what they want to be called? Why does it seem to aggravate you? I know several black/i] people who are not of African descent, who live in the states and they don't call themselves African American. Briana Dawson _____________________
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Kristy Cordeaux
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07-21-2006 13:31
well to really get everyone stirred up on something besides the citizenship issue, another item occasionally making the headlines is the issue of payment of reparations to the descendants of the slaves.
After that how about the incarceration of Japanese citizens in concentration camps during WWII? _____________________
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Zuzu Fassbinder
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07-21-2006 13:39
well to really get everyone stirred up on something besides the citizenship issue, another item occasionally making the headlines is the issue of payment of reparations to the descendants of the slaves. After that how about the incarceration of Japanese citizens in concentration camps during WWII?  _____________________
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Briana Dawson
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07-21-2006 13:45
well to really get everyone stirred up on something besides the citizenship issue, another item occasionally making the headlines is the issue of payment of reparations to the descendants of the slaves. After that how about the incarceration of Japanese citizens in concentration camps during WWII? Well, I am completely against reparations of any sort. Unfortunately, Ronald Reagan gave the japanese descendants of the internment camps something like $20,000 each. Briana Dawson _____________________
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Prommus Conover
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07-21-2006 13:55
You sound like a closet racist. Why do you care what they want to be called? Why does it seem to aggravate you? I know several black/i] people who are not of African descent, who live in the states and they don't call themselves African American. Briana Dawson Nothing closet about it. I'm an equal-opportunity bigot. I've got family members that are/were Klansmen and others that are/were Black Panthers. My family reunions look like UN meetings. What I hate is that someone thinks that since they're a certain colour, race, or religion, that they deserve some sort of special treatment due to some ancient wrong against their people. I'm half-black. I likely had ancestors that owned some of my other ancestors. I probably owe myself 20 acres and half a mule. |
