One of the biggest loads of horse shit on the net

http://forums.eternallytransient.com/index.php/topic,343.0.html

This is such a load of crap! Do people actually believe that anything in this video was real?

This is 100% staged but I am sure there will be people swearing that it's all true.

Well, one thing is horse shit for sure - Derren Brown is NOT a hypnotist, and does not use hypnotism in his demonstrations.

But he is an incredibly fascinating guy with some very unique talents.

I can't say if it was staged, because I havent seen the clip (and I can't watch it from work. boo!), but having seen most of his work, if you mean to say that it was entirely pre-arranged and nothing to do with any perceptual or psychological manipulation of the subject by Derren, I'd say it's extremely unlikely. That Derren dude rawks!

I couldnt finish watching it as it really is the biggest load of bull I've ever seen.

My sister is a psychologist with a PhD, so I sent it to her. She agrees with you totally.

Flashing messages will NOT hypnotize you. Maybe make you buy a coke like subliminal advertising, but not put you into a sleep like trance.

I noticed, the air horn wakes him up. Yet the sounds of traffic, doors slamming, the ride in the vehicle.... didnt? Um, Ok.

And I just love the professional military like grip of his on the gun.

What's even better is he “hypnotizes” him again without even using the “flashes”, he just puts his hand over his eyes and whispers to him. LMAO.

About the only thing you can do to people with flashing lights is cause seizures, and then only to some of them. Can you imagine the legal ramifications of this little stunt? Not only could this guy sue him, but he could probably pursue criminal charges as well. (If it had been real that is.)

And what about the two “friends”? Did you notice that not once did they even ask what was going on? If some stranger came out and grabbed your unconscious friend and started to drag him off would you just say “yeah, all right” and help him?

There isn't anything special about hypnosis. It's just somebody who is willing to go along with the hypnotist. The guy in this video would've been told beforehand, or told by the game itself, that he was going to be hypnotized by the "legendary" Derren Brown for TV.

I could never be hypnotized because I don't believe in it. You have to believe in it, or be open minded about it, and be willing to go along with it.

But for all the people that do believe in hypnosis:

You're all feeling very sleepy. You shall remove your clothing and post pictures in this thread.

Pictures of what? Bundles of discarded clothing? or the looks on coworkers faces?

Do any of you actually know anything about hypnosis, or know anyone who does? Does having a PhD in Psychology teach you everything there is to know about the power of suggestion?

I'm not saying I believe in any of this stuff or not, but I had to point this out: you guys sound like 9/11 conspiracy theorists. "That's not how a collapsing skyscraper looks/a guy being hypnotised looks. It's fake! LOL!!!11111oneone!"

Hypnotism could simply be related to the placebo effect: if you think you're going to be hypnotised, you end up hypnotised. It doesn't make it any less "real". It just makes it more like a suggestion acting on the mind than some "magic". Which, incidentally, is what Brown constantly tries to point out: it's all just suggestion.

Musuko.

From: musako massiel

Do any of you actually know anything about hypnosis, or know anyone who does? Does having a PhD in Psychology teach you everything there is to know about the power of suggestion?

I'm not saying I believe in any of this stuff or not, but I had to point this out: you guys sound like 9/11 conspiracy theorists. "That's not how a collapsing skyscraper looks/a guy being hypnotised looks. It's fake! LOL!!!11111oneone!"

Hypnotism could simply be related to the placebo effect: if you think you're going to be hypnotised, you end up hypnotised. It doesn't make it any less "real". It just makes it more like a suggestion acting on the mind than some "magic". Which, incidentally, is what Brown constantly tries to point out: it's all just suggestion.

Of course not!! Being a doctor of psychology means you dont know squat about how the mind works. Pfffft.... all that studying, work & thesis writing is just for show!

As far as the 'if you think you will, then you will" effect... yes that's hypnotism. Hypnotism works on how suggestable your mind is. It relies on your mind being able to relax enough to take a suggestion.

I now present to you, the REAL biggest load of horse shit on the net:

Hm. I don't know much about this one but Derren Brown's not known for faking things. He's really good at what he does (and about 0.001% as irritating as David Bloody Blaine, too).

On the other hand, actually doing that to somebody without prior consent would be really bloody illegal.

You obviously didn't watch the video, otherwise you would have seen that supposedly no one told this guy what was going to happen. No one told him he was going to be hypnotized. He didn't think he was going to be hypnotized, so no placebo effect could have occured

Supposedly he was put in a “trance” by nothing more than a series of flashing lights. If that really worked, don't you think governments around the world would be trying to weaponize it?




You are right, he is really good at what he does. But what most people don't realize is that what he does is fool people into thinking he has some sort of mystic powers of super hypnosis.

What he did in that video would be so illegal that the person he did it too wouldn't have to press charges, the State would do it on their own. Any prosecutor working for the government (whatever they are called in the UK) who saw this would be on him in a flash.

yeah why didn't the guy just close his eyes? oh wait it was a setup, nevermind

We do know that people can be put into catatonic states by the use of flashing lights, and it has been weaponised, though such things I believe are generally against the Geneva Conventions... I can see that it's potentially possible that somebody could be very, very good at identifying the exact moments to flash lights, and so put somebody under like that. I imagine it would be damn hard but I can see it being possible.

The whole legal thing definitely gives me pause though. I would have thought he'd never work again. And it would be much easier to study candidates beforehand, work out their responses, filter out people who weren't good targets... you wouldn't need to tell them exactly what was going to happen.

Actually, come to think of it, if it *is* really as described and they got away with it, that's way more scary than the idea that it's been done in the first place. You can't have people who've been fucked with mentally signing release forms! If you can get them to think they're shooting zombies, you can certainly get them to sign a piece of paper....

I believe in hypnosis but that was the lamest excuse for it that I have ever seen. Talk about staged lol.

I wish I could get those 13 minutes and 54 seconds of my life back...

I only lasted 2 or 3 minutes or so .. so I don't feel so bad.


Although .. if this IS true, this explains why I was in some crappy relationships back in the day. I must have played that Zombie game and gotten carted off.

My husband says thanks.

I made it less than that but I happened to skip ahead right to where the guy supposedly goes under, by just drooping forward, still standing up holding the joystick. Hilarious. The whole thing is a crock.

I could only stand about 45 seconds of this crap. How did it end? I assume badly

lol, that's the best part. It ends with them all standing around laughing about it.

Yeah, that would be my reaction if this happened to me. NOT!

I didn't finish watching it but I kinda figured it was going to end in one of two ways,

1: Words pop up saying *BTW do you know what you did to your neighbor?* Where a few people would of freaked out worrying if they shot their zomby neighbor (Recording people running over to check on their neighbor would of been funny as hell)
2: It ending with the statement saying *You are now that much dumber for having watched this*

seriously i think my IQ dropped a point per seond i watched that

Thats funny.

But I hate to say this because I am sure I will get flamed..... but I believe it.....

Sorry but I do. I know someone is now going to want to sell me the Brookland Bridge in SL, but what can I say I believe it.

Oh well, time to go find my bridge in SL

Scott

There are less than lethal weapons used by the police and military that use light flashes to disorient people. It simply makes it hard for the recipient to see to fight back.

It's impossible to hypnotize someone that does not volunteer to the procedure.

Something I found interesting...

There is a physical reaction to hypnotism, according to a hypnotist who was a guest at my Parapsychology class in college. He said a hypnotized person's arms and face turn reddish/purplish from something to do with blood flow during hypnotism. He seemed to be correct, because the three people he hypnotized turned purple and the two he couldn't hypnotize remained "normal" color.

Don't know if this was just the power of suggestion, which I believe more than I believe in hypnotism, but it gives you something to think about.

Although I understand what you are saying I think it’s still an issue of context. The word volunteer describes a situation that is framed by peoples perceptions. It has a potentially wide context that goes behind someone waiting in line to volunteer and sign a form He certainly volunteered to play the game and he volunteered to be in that bar. He suspended disbelief and ‘gave consent’ to a pixilated 2D game which required him to sharply focus. Now I realize I am stretching it, but its still something that needs to be considered.

When I was struggling through my undergraduate I volunteered to work with the grad students for a month (for one full grade bump!) while they tested some theories of hypnotism. It was on individuals and groups. I was stunned at the capacity of that science. They would bring 40 people in and go through an entire series of tests, eliminating people as they went. By the time they got down to one person it was stunning what was possible.

I also know that everytime they run a certain cartoon in Japan that has strobe effects, dozens of people get sent to the hospital because they convulsed and peed themselves. Sure, that is not hypnotism, but the strobe effect on the mind is strong.

We also don’t know the nature of that strobe effect, what cycle, what rate, etc. It could be something he has been working on for some time.

Is it possible that some guy who has spent his life studying people and hypnotizing them could setup just the right situation and wait for just the right jackball to wander in so he could hand him an empty paintball gun and send him on a shooting spree?

Truth is almost always stranger then fiction. My vote is still yes. I am ready to buy the Brooklyn Bridge in SL if you have it for sale.