The Seas of David - American Terrorist

I'll wait and see if they get an actual conviction. Definitely seems good that these guys were caught, but on the other hand it also seems that these were a group of such complete incompetents that the odds of them ever actually doing anything were tiny to begin with. It's interesting that this was the result of old fashioned police work and had nothing to do with wiretapping, datamining, or the patriot act (with the exception of the charges they were able to file - attempting to provide material support to a terrorist group, which is amusing since they were trying to GET material support FROM a terrorist group).

because being pulled out of line just because you are a different color is always fun.

Racial profiling isn't a good thing.
==Chris

Also, and I'm surprised no one has brought up this angle yet, since these idiots had never actually done anything but talk, they were essentially arrested for thought crimes. I personally find that more terrifying than the fact that these idiots were having delusions of terrorist granduer.

I usually don't agree with Kendra but this time I do. Racisim in the U.S. is so ingrained that people don't even realize it's happening. Only the most overt acts against minorities are noticed.

I don't see racial profiling any better or worse than any other kind of profiling.

If you're innocent and you're pulled out of line because you fit another statistical profile it's the same thing.

It's just not PC to sort folks by race so other methods of profiling are used.

I just wonder how much of today's crimes will get solved or stopped using yesterday's "good ol fashoned" police work.

In an era in which we expect everything to keep up with times and technology, we want our police and investigators to solve things "the old way".

I read another post where the FBI is being mocked for capturing completely incompetent terrorists wannabes... Well. I guess that, at the state of things, they (the FBI) were practically doing the best they could with the tools they have at their disposal.

Then you picked a bad time to change. Because she is wrong, laughably, stupidly wrong.

She is saying that you can never, ever mention the race of a suspect in an article or comment on the article. No matter the context or the reason for revealing that fact. Mentioning the race (white or black) is always, always, racist.

That is just plain dumb. Being stupid for a noble cause doesn't earn you a free pass.

I would suspect as many as in the past. Look at the so-called terrorist plots that have been disrupted in the last five years. They've all been the result of people who know them notifying the authorities. I find this notion that with sufficient application of technology and reduction of privacy that we'll somehow prevent bad things from happening to be misguided and naive and I don't think the results justify the means.

Then what is the role of such security agencies? Sit around waiting for tips? What happens when no one notifies the authorities?

Also, are we supposed to sit back and wait till another tower is sent to rubble so we can actually have an excuse to submit a terrorist to justice? Ah, he might be sent to jail for 100 years... but the tower is already down, and lives were lost... is that the way we really want things to happen?

I think it's even more naive to believe protection can be gained without compromising something - be it some privacy, be it some freedom, be it some pie. What I hear america saying is that we want to drive 80mph on the freeway with no seatbelts on - because "gees, it's so restraining and wrinkles my shirt"- nor airbags because "I don't like how my steering wheel looks all bulky with the airbags packed in there", and still be able to survive a crash with not even a scratch. Ha! Then we even go after the makers of the car, sueing them because they didn't provide enough protection in it!

I dunno. I continue to think we are more concentrated on having a system that looks and sounds pretty, but that can't be expected to accomplish the expected goals in certain situations. Or are we really focusing on the correct goals?

Did you ignore yours?




Or Billybobs?

Planning to commit a crime is a crime. It's called conspiracy. It's not easy to prove. Usually people who go to jail for conspiracy have entered into plea bargaining deals. It's not a crime to think about blowing up a building. It's a crime to plan to blow up a building. No thought crime here.

I did not make a personal attack, I posted a general statement.

Briana Dawson

I could support putting you in Gitmo for such irresponsible and unpatriotic statements.

Naw. Not really. That wouldn't be fair to you.

"Bipolar Jingoist" is about all the information anyone needs. Some people game their lives and other people's reactions, for reasons most of us don't want to know about.

Probably best to move on.

And it obviously produced a reaction from you.

Thanks for the playing the game best to move on now

Briana Dawson

"...I could see certain forum personalities supporting these guys" is not a general statement. "...some people supporting these guys" would be a general statement. "Certain" people is not.

But, of course you are a conservative and that means your beliefs are only to be applied to other people, not to yourself. Just take a look at the current crop of Republican presidential hopefuls, all "pro-family" guys. Well, "pro-family" for other people. Admitted adulterers, serial divorces, families torn apart.... Yet they still call themselves "pro-family." As long as none of the laws they pass apply to them.... LOL

It still was not a personal attack on any specific person.

And don't presume to know my stance on the issues. I've never claimed to be pro-life. I'm a firm believer in states rights, and the right to choice. I do not support third trimester or partial birth abortions. Not that it is any of your business, but since you like to make blanket ASSumptions about me I felt the need to correct you.

And thank you for calling me a conservative and not pigeon-holing me as a republican.

Briana Dawson

Where did he say anything about you being pro-life? Talk about assumptions...

Just sayin'

Pity.