Contest: Make Your Own Holocaust Comic, Win Gold Coins

Have you ever cracked open a bible?

You have a point?

Irrelevant.

Muslims are rioting because a cartoonist portrated Muhammad as a terrorist on a short fuse. Their own Hadith show him to be a man who agreed to the slaughter of 600-700 prisoners of war by beheading while saying that Allah blesses him. (Incidentally, that rather puts some modern-day barbarity in perspective, does it not?) If their own scriptures portray him as such, why can't a cartoon?

Is there violence in the bible? Sure is. Make a cartoon of it and see if anyone issues a death threat against you.

Well there is the extremist Christian group the KKK which might, and all those other wacky white christian groups.


When God flooded the earth and Noah and his family were the only one saved, what happened to all the other people on earth? They flew to Mars or God killed them all, the whole planet.


Seriously, if you are going to agrue religious text and violence, PEOPLE have used religion to justify what every fucked up thing they want to do. Like Isreal land grabbing, Spain slaughtering millions of people and forcing them into Catholism and robbing them of their native culture, Slavery in the Western World, etc etc. The list goes on.


The Muslims asked on Oct 12 for an apology and they didn't get it and it has just snowballed from there. It seems like Europeans would be more sensitive since they are sitting on a powder keg. Paris was burning for a reason, and if Europe doesn't watch its step the would continent will be on fire.

There are cartoons parodying god constantly. This doesn't happen as you suggest it might.



Died. Your point?



Your point?




They were entitled to no appology.

But those are the minority. Unlike the majority who voted in Hamas the other week.




Trying to dilute the topic by bringing in every ill ever conceived of and carried out since time began? Don't. This is about 12 cartoons and a ridiculous overreaction to them.




Yep, and the reason is control. That's what it's all about, isn't it? If they can control what you say, then they can control what you think. And if they can control what you think, it's all over.

without getting into the debates here, i thought i would rpesent this little tidbit that just may be of interest to this topic.. maybe.. just a little?

Danish editor behind Prophet drawings says he'd publish Iran's Holocaust cartoons

sounds like a fairly lucid individual to me who really DOES believe in free speech!

(and why is the noun "speech", yet the verb is "speak"? i mean, why the change from "ee" to "ea"?)

But the minority extremists are the ones that kill people, and they are also the most vocal.


Beyond that I have many muslim friends that are from all over the world but live in America. Everyone of them that I have talked to were outraged over thee cartoons. I am outraged over thee cartoons, the reprinting of them, and the blantant ignorance and bigotry surrounding them.

When you post Lorelei and I read it, it just reads Blah Blah Blah Bigot blah blah blah bigot blah blah blah bigot blahzay skippy,blah blah intolerence blah blah blah. I wish you would step back read your posts objectively, replace muslim and islam with something else and think about how reading those worlds said about another group would make you feel. I think that applies to just about everyone posting in these threads.

I hope they do. First, it's consistent. Second, it will show the West what passes for a normal, workaday political cartoon in the Muslim world, where anti-semitic drawings fit for Der Sturmer are everyday fare. Seriously. They need a contest for this? They do it *every day.*

To answer your question, though, still looking for an answer. Meanwhile, there's this:

Oh mute me already. You've already shown you have no value for free speech.

I agree, no one is "entitled" to anything. I don't think the Danish government should be required to apologize for some hack paper. All that being said, the chickens are coming home to roost.

Free Speech comes with responsibility. Duh.

this is an interesting development, isn't it?

it does seem to support a freedom of speech arguement on the part of the initial publisher.

however, this does not account for the other instigators who are very much enjoying riling up global religious instability

also interesting is this where it states the same paper refused to print cartoons portraying Jesus as it might offend christians. Reading a description of the cartoons it just seemed they weren't funny, not really offensive. I would like to see the cartoons to see if the offensive thing was just brought up to spare an untalented artists feelings.

and remember kids, Christians get all bent out of shape too

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dogma_%28movie%29

(scroll down to check out the buddy Christ and if you are a Kevin Smith fan and and haven't seen "An Evening With Kevin Smith" , read the section titled "Controversy" for an amusing anecdote, done much better justice by Smith himself in the "Evening With" DVD)

or

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Last_Temptation_of_Christ

(Catholic terrorist attacks... I was actually ATTENDING a Catholic middle school at the time and we discussed the controversy in Religion class. The controversy was addressed but none of the instructers, even our own little version of the "Church Lady" was really offended by it. It was a non issue for the most part, but maybe that is because this is California)

or

and who could forget Piss Christ

Also on topic with good shoe on other foot examples of violence, protests, and death threats

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_speech_versus_blasphemy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_by_organized_religion