Upgrades to PC unable to fix lag

So, pretty much, I'll have to get a new computer (since my roommate figures that would be better than trying to force any more changes to the one I have now). Crap.

Not necessarily. A new CPU and motherboard will fit in there, allowing you to reuse your memory, drives, etc.

Personally, I'd probably go with a new case and power supply, as well, then transplant everything else into it. You could find a decent CPU, motherboard and case for around $250 US, less if you were willing to settle for something less powerful.

Sigh... like I said good luck with that. Might as well buy a new computer, the hell with trying to even check the simple stuff. Computer shops make a mint off of people like you everyday. Get mad at me all ya want, my computers are running flawlessly. Have a nice day.

I trust my roommate's judgment, and considering he knows the computer guys in town very well, I have NO reason NOT to doubt them. Just because you had a bad experience with a computer place does NOT mean that that's the problem with this. Check this out, lady: We HAVE checked the simple stuff. The wireless connection is the same one that I had on here BEFORE the upgrade, and the connection was PERFECT. We had already eliminated the wireless connection before the upgrade, so it wasn't that. DO NOT accuse me of overlooking all my options; we HAVE checked them, and they checked out fine.

And why are your computers working 'flawlessly', anyway? How many times HAVE you gone to the computer shop for a problem? I do NOT believe that you fix EVERY SINGLE LITTLE PROBLEM with them ON YOUR OWN. I'm sorry, but I highly doubt you have enough technical knowledge to be your own computer fixing god, alright? So don't go bitching at me for it.

ehhh,, stop that, some of us never actually go to any shops and ask anyone how to upgrade/what to get, we build pc's choosing own parts and never let anyone else touch it.

Choosing a celeron was your mistake for trusting whoever put this togeather (id look really funny to someone even suggest that one to me) sorry but that thing is a work office cpu, not a gamer thing.

But seriously, this must be aggrivating to updated then realise its not much of a diffrence, sorry about that (also a reason why i dont like brand name pc's where i live), also the whole thing about the wireless it seem to be working just no speed diffrence after your upgrade, ram / vid card can be reused if you planning on upgrading (yet again).

What id recommend to get decent fps in SL ?
xp/a64/fx/x2 3000+ , 1 gig ram, vid card gf6600+
(yes im no fan of ati yet again, maybe another time, kinda hop on/off that whenever i upgrade, im not saying they are bad)

Pentium 4 is just to pricey compared to what you gain,



If you wonder how i do in SL?,
fx-55 cpu, 4 gig ram, gforce 6800gt,10.000rpm hd drive just for windows/progs/sl

15-20fps with local light max everything except shadow, soo no its not really a wooping fps gain

Hope youre not expecting fps 40+ , only happen when youre pretty much alone in a sim.

Yarr anyway, what do you want to do , its after all your thread, we can only give you some answears to your questions.


pst : Kathmandu is a male ... well last time i saw him ^^

Thank you for those suggestions. That's exactly the kind of stuff I wanted from here. To be honest, I never wanted like uber-high fps on here, just a constantly acceptable framerate that doesn't choke like Bush with a pretzel when I get near anything even remotely crowded. 15-20 fps seems fairly acceptable to me, and I would love to have that kind of framerate on a consistant basis on my rig. As a minimalist, I don't really care what I have, as long as it works satisfactory for what I want to do, which is why I don't like the prospect of rebounding to another computer (we're actually renting to own the one I have; the first computer I had up here was from the same store, but was a Dell, and had far more problems on it than just not being able to play SL fast enough). I'll hand off your suggestions over to my roommate and see what he thinks.

Hehehehe

I haven't ever taken a computer to a shop in my life other than to give it away for parts. I build them from components and have been doing so since 1996. I built my latest laptop from parts from 3 junk machines. I fix other peoples computers from time to time as well. I am also an industrial mechanic by trade, served on a nuclear submarine in the Navy, certified advanced openwater SCUBA diver and I can fly an airplane. I am also a sculptor, an artist and a writer. I can even bind hard back books myself.

So if you say it isn't the wireless connection, then by god it isn't. But lets look at things from my point of view.

You ask for help saying your computer was running badly before you had it upgraded and it runs exactly the same as it did before the upgrade. Logic dictates that perhaps it isn't the computer but maybe the connection. You indicated you have a wireless connection. A very simple test to verify this is to wire the computer directly to the modem to remove any doubt that this is or is not the problem. If you were to call tech support they would tell you the exact same thing since it is the single biggest problem they get.

You write back and instead of performing a simple, 5 minute test. you tell me it absolutely cannot be the problem because it was checked before the upgrade. By a proffessional no less. That is all fine but you never said it was checked after the upgrade and I pointed out as I shook my head and commented that Lee Linden, the troubleshooting guru for LL, runs into this so very often, people would rather argue for 30 minutes than perform a 5 minute check to eliminate a vast number of possible problems including misconfigured routers, network conflicts, port conflicts, wireless signal problems, problems with router firewalls, bottlenecks due to encription, two computers on the same network conflicting running SL at the same time, cabling problems, errors with port forwarding, etc, etc. Just because you have a good signal doesn't mean you can't have other problems. Direct wiring removes these as possibilities.

The ATI 9250 video card is roughly equivelent to the integrated in 845CL chipset that you were likely using before. if it is the 9250SE then its almost exactly the same performance wise and you wasted your money and time in either case. You also said the drivers were out of date when you got it back and that is just shoddy. I would question anything this person does plain and simple. They haven't done you any favors unless they gave it to you for free. As I said before, if this was the same person that set up your wireless network, it would behoove you to check it yourself. Then again, I set up my own wireless network(building my own custom diacone antennas to double the range) and I know it works right but if I ever have a problem with SL, the first thing I do is direct wire to the modem. Doing this I have found a bad cable and a faulty router so far.



Oh and uh, yes I am a guy.

Okay, I'll make this very clear: I CAN'T DIRECTLY LINK UP MY COMPUTER TO THE MODEM THROUGH A CABLE. This is NOT because I have to reason to, it's just because, due to some stupid quirk in the modem that prevents it from working with a router hooked up. We don't know why; it just does. So I'm pretty much stuck with the wireless connection, thank you.

Second, I have NO REASON NOT to doubt the validity of the professional's work. Like I said, he is a good friend to mly roommate and has done many repair jobs on his computers over the years. They have worked very well for him afterwards, so I have no reason to doubt their work. True, the wireless connection wasn't connecting when we got it back, but that was human error on OUR part, NOT the professional's. We had lost the validation key to set up the wireless network, and the guy came down here and fixed it, bringing another wireless card with him in case the one already in here WAS going bad. I stood here myself watching him while he did that. Other than the slowdown, I have had no problem with SL before (except for when they were upgrading it, but then again, I'm sure most if not all of you out there had experienced the same thing, in that instance), nor have there been any conflicts between my connection and my roommate's. That tells me that it is NOT THE WIRELESS CONNECION. Also note that my roommate's laptop - which has a wireless connection of its own as well as an Intel processor and similar graphical and ROM stats as my desktop - runs SL fine without any debilitating slowdown. It chugs along at times, but it's not the constant slow-as-mollasses framerates I'm getting on here.

Pretty much, you haven't followed my situation, and I have my OWN computer expert with me 24/7 to confirm this; he's my roommate, and has 15 years of experience with such devices. You keep on insisting that we screwed up somewhere down the line and that it's still my wireless network that's the problem, take it up with him. He'll tell you EXACTLY what I've been telling you for a while know: it's NOT the wireless connection, it's something else with the cpu and stuff.

Fine, you win. I believe you. Your expert is better than me and I bow before thier obvious superioity. Their computer-foo is stronger than mine. It is my unworthy knowlege that is at fault because my limited brains cannot comprehend how a router would be needed in any way to plug a cat5 cable from the computer to the modem thereby negating a quirky modem that can't be connected to a router. Please, I beg you, share your superior computer-foo with this poor student.

I grovel at your feet for my inferior knowledge tells me a modem that can't be connected directly to a computer is a malfuctioning and/or misconfigured modem that is suspect. I would have wasted time and repaired or replaced it, I have not yet achieved 'quirky' in my limited experience. Your computer-foo is too powerful.

Please forgive me for offering my pittiful knowlege, your wisdom shines like a great light that removes all shadows. I will allow the others in this forum help you, my ignorance has angered you.

Okay, this thread has served its purpose, and is just degenerating into crap. Lock it, please.

Dude, shut up. Just shut up. It's irritating, it's not funny, and it makes you look like a moron. I have two experts assuring me that it's not the internet connection, both of them with years of experience under their belts (and one of them living with me), and I have no reason to doubt them. The fact that you keep insisting that they're wrong, despite the mounds of evidence that I've posted to the contrary, makes me think that you DON'T know what you're talking about, at least in the confines of THIS problem. So shut up, drop the subject, and get on with your life.

th Kathmandu, I have been following the problem with Syjondeonmecros at this end, he livces with me. It is not the wireless number 1, i have a toshiba laptop that connects wireless and it runs better than the HP 514 he is on. #2 i would like to know your credentials, The repaoir people at DCC who do the work on our computers have been doing it for 15 yeasrs, # synjo as I mam is still a neophyte on sl It would b etter suit a veteran such as yourself to listen to what he is sayiong linstead of getting stuck on ;yor own idear
dthank you Alfred Portis Iyeyasu Muromachi

Perhaps whatever causes this is also at the root of your problem with SL. It doesn't inspire much confidence, knowing that your hardware gurus have been unable to figure this out and are leaving you "stuck" with it.

I know how it is, though, having to rely on free hardware help from friends. When your friend spends hours trying to fix something, only compensated with beer and pizza, you can't really bitch too much when they fix most stuff and something like this still doesn't work. I also know how hard it can be to go to a new computer shop instead of the one your friend runs. However stressful and crappy this is, though, there was no excuse for going off on people who posted trying to help you when asked for help. There IS flakey stuff going on with your modem, your friends don't know what it is, and that makes me want to second-guess, too.

Maybe whatever causes this problem has something to do with it? The inability to figure this out wouldn't inspire my confidence and makes me second-guess everything.

If I were Kathmandu, I'd have been a lot less kind to you.

Maybe the original poster should look for a second opinion (or is that a third opinion) locally. The usual guys may have missed something, or its something they never considered. It doesn't matter how long one has been in the business, or what their credentials are, because its unlikely that any of us have seen it all. There are too many PC configurations out there, and just as many compatibility issues. A different opinion couldn't hurt.