Traffic at 0 again

Ok this is the 2nd time in the last month that I have had a problem with traffic at 0 in Redear sim. The last time it was a system problem. This time I believe it is again. Yesterday my dwell was at 0 and I could not use the find places option. Today the find seems to be working but a lot of places are showing 0 dwell as well.

We have events every single day so our dwell is never 0.

Please fix this its hard to manage a sim without traffic being calculated correctly.

M

ditto, same here, was high, then suddenly zero.

Dwell does occasionally show 0. When it does, it's usually during the short period of the day when we run the dwell calculations and pay everyone. If it's showing 0 for a longer time, then something may be slightly off and we may be mis-reporting.

But worry not! The dwell information is never lost. For every case of "0 dwell" I've seen (including recent reports), we actually do have all of the dwell data. It's simply a matter of manually running the calculation to ensure everyone gets paid accordingly. As always, we'll make sure to do so as quickly as possible.

We're taking action to help prevent this mis-reporting from occuring. I believe there's a new reporting system coming in the very near future that is much more efficient and reliable, which should result in less "0 dwell" issues.

As always, I apologize for any inconvenience this might cause!

:d

I was just coming into this forum to post the same thing.

And it's been 0 for about 6 hours now at least... not exactly the "short period of time" they caclulate bonuses.

As I said, when there are larger issues with dwell/traffic reporting, we do have all the information and you will be paid exactly the same as if the numbers were showing correctly for you.

Lee, while I'm sure a lot of folks are worried about their "Traffic Pay" - there's another dimension to this problem as well.... one's spot on the favorite places list.

When my Traffic is reset to 0 (as it is today), my #1 concern is the fact that my venue isn't listed in Favorite Places as a result.... the lack of traffic pay is a much lower concern, which I always know is eventually worked out in a few days.

From my experience, I've noticed that I get better attendance for my events when I'm already on the favorite places list.... being on there has somewhat of a self-sustaining quality to it. I could care less about being at the top, but falling *somewhere* on the list is definately a goal I try to work towards. Falling off the list because my events were lame is my own fault... but falling off because of a technical difficulty is discouraging, and effects any event I might have while the 'Traffic Wipe' occurs.

Travis

When the numbers are all 0 in-game, we have no indication of how busy a piece of property is. Why is that so important? Well today I was going to place some vendors around the world, but I've put that off until traffic numbers are fixed (again) because I have no way of knowing if the property I'm about to spend money on to place a vendor at is really getting any traffic.

Traffic numbers mean something to more people than just the land owner, Lee.

Add us to your list

I totally agree. Pay is not the issue for me either here. When people are having big promotion events and their establishment is 0 it means Linden being throwing away because we didnt get the exposer that the Traffic board brings in. why am I obessed with the cute rolling eyes face prob cause I do it a lot
/pointless comments

Please get this fixed...it went to 0 today...then normal....now back to 0!!

So not cool

How many minutes does someone have to be on the property before that avatar counts toward someone's dwell / traffic? and is it quantity over how long someone stays? what is the formula?

It takes about five minutes or so for a parcel to earn any dwell/traffic. You get a fraction of a point of traffic based on the total amount of that resident's Second Life day they spend on your land.

So, to bring in the classic example, if you host a big party, you'll see traffic jump up... but if those people leave and go elsewhere in the Second Life world, the traffic number goes down to reflect the truth behind how popular you really are. (The number you see at any point in time is just an estimation based on things that haven't happened yet.)

Bump..... Once again. Traffic = 0. Day 3.

ours is at 0 too, we spend at least an hour here a piece (between about 6 people) that should definutely keep it above 0. and last night we had like 10/11 people for well over an hour.

My dwell has not changed in 4 days except to go to zero. I appreciate all the work Linden Labs does except for not responding to this sooner. I sent in a bug report on Friday and don't expect a response so soon but I do expect something in announcements telling us what is going on. This is the second time this has happened recently and I know that the other time I did not recieve all my dwell back.

At the very least they could tell us why there is a problem and the exact time they will fix it. As soon as possible does not cut it with me.

well hey, at least its even now, EVERYONE is at zero for me, weird

Probably a waste of time, but I'm willing to take a shot at making the point which seems to go in one Linden ear and out the other.

Humans are social creatures by nature. And by nature they flock to where the other humans are. Obviously LL understands this on some level, otherwise we wouldn't have lists of Favorite and Popular places. No one wants to go where nobody else goes. Everyone wants to hang out at the most popular places; to see and be seen. It's human nature.

That, and only that, is the value of Traffic/Dwell numbers. For someone who's just opened a new store as I have, it's devastating to have the Traffic number drop from 143 to 0 in a single day. The money is too puny to matter. This is the closest thing we have to a 'reputation,' and zero sucks. It also doesn't do a hell of a lot to attract good vendors either.

Keep the money. The damage is already done, and nothing can change that.

After having "talked" to multiple Live Helpers and multiple Lindens I got this response from King Phil late Sunday/early Monday:

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Philip Linden:
Hi Elex! Sorry about that... looks like our traffic script has been broken/off.
We're getting ready for 1.6 - hopefully will have it fixed sometime tommorow.
Again, apologies - agree that it is frustrating since near the end of month.
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By way of bad analogy, I'm not sure why the _future presence_ of steak (preparations for v1.6) is getting in the way our _current lack_ of hamburgers (resolving Dwell/Traffic payments/scores), but so be it.

I didn't complain when: stipend bonus was reduced (it's a "bonus", or when the event subsidy and prize reimbursement was eliminated (it's a "subsidy", or when the ratings price was raised and ratings themselves were allowed to degrade (rate without regret)...

But now I've spent the past month holding fifty-events at my 29-prim bar on a 128-m plot in an effort to make the Developers Bonus list only to realize it was a huge waste of my time (yes, I do own 1024m, so I do get to compete). If you can't calculate Dwell/Traffic payment/scores consistently then why are you encouraging us to pursue this bonus? Yes, I understand that to LindenGov this is a three day (possibly four day) problem, but to me it means 10-percent of the time in March LindenGov was unable to provide the Dwell payment/score reporting I needed to help manage my "Gathering Place".

I'm not going to make another attempt at the Developers Bonus. It's far easier for me to shutter my business than to go through next month's Dwell/Traffic payments/scores problems while LindenGov becomes giddy with anticipation for the v1.6 _patch_. Unless the retroactive payments come with a time machine it doesn't help me with the trivia event I couldn't fund on Saturday using the Dwell payments I didn't get. It was fun to hold Word Hunt at my bar on Thursday so that I wouldn't get traffic info before holding it again on Friday followed by two more days of no Dwell/Traffic info. No prob... having learned my lesson I knew not to host any more sessions of Word Hunt on Saturday or Sunday. Monday's midnight Last Call event was cancelled because WHAT'S THE POINT? When I _again_ don't see Dwell on Monday between 11am-12noon I know there's no point in holding Happy Hour or anything else.

Anyway, thanks LindenGov for sucking the life out of whatever enjoyment I was getting out of my little bar.

Of all the places to close during this lack of funding, it breaks my heart to see that the elbow room was the one to fall. I hope that there is some tangible reponse for this four-day broken script beyond backpayments, but this still wont bring back the elbow room.

Apart from the Dwell (that LL has already stated can and will be calculated manually), I do not see a problem with this zero count on traffic. Sure, I normally use the "popular places" lists to give myself a guide of where I am going and what i am doing... but you know what? Due to this issue, I have discovered many more new places in SL that i will definately be going back to... whether or not they gain alot of traffic. For the first time in my very short SL lifespan.. everyone is on a level playing field in regards to traffic and it is a great time to venture out of your little safety zones and discover what else is out there. I have still managed to visit all the regular places i go in my day to day playing.. as i have landmarked them and they are easy to find... I am sure it has had only a very minor effect on actual traffic.

Having a traffic rating of o should not be a kick in the pants for anybody... it is not a reduction of your status here in SL... after all... you are still number 1, 2, 3 or whatever... its just that the screen is not showing it. I would much prefer that the "Powers that be" concentrate on the major issues and bugs rather than this very minor problem... it is only a petty thing really.

I am sure if there was to be a major delay in the fixing of this problem, there would be some form of compensation if people are really out of pocket for it.

Dwell/Traffic reading zero bothers me to no end. For me its not about the money aspect, because looking at the accounting shows that all the property I manage in the world returns about L$250 per week which when split between my land holding group amounts to a few texture uploads.

The problem for me is that by default, Find Places sorts the results by traffic. I work reasonably hard, as do my group members and providing a reasonable amount of social environment, and to be rewarded by having traffic show as zero feels like a real kick in the crotch for all of us.

I didn't know they closed

11 days. Still 0 Traffic.

Dwell payments are inconsequential. I need Traffic *numbers*.

The outage time on this one has exceeded the bounds of "realistic" now. An accurate representation of how much longer we are going to be without would be much appreciated.

Yup, it's still at 0 for me, everyone else appears at 0... Travis Lambert also brings up my point almost exactly so I won't regurgitate it.