Have any Irish Travellers been able to verify?

This country person wants to know!

I'm not Irish, but as an Irish Traveller, don't you have to speak Shelta?

*linguist dork alert*

The Following has NOT been addressed:

What is the garuntee that this third party will
respect the privacy laws and NOT store he info unless
requested?

Is LL Monitoring this third party? Why should we
entrust our privet info to a third party we know
nothing about?

What about security? how securer is this third party?
Who do we hold accountable if a security breach occurs
at the third party?

What about third party credentials?

I believe we have the Legal right to view those too.

What garuntees do we have against Identity theft?

I refuse to submit any of my privet info to The third
party until you guys address ALL my concerns and
questions regarding this issue.
I do NOT feel safe nor secure releasing my privet info
to a third party I know nothing about.

How much do free accounts have to pay? what about
those of us unable to get a credit card for what ever
reasons or can’t access pay-pal?

Also it’s illegal for an online virtual world to
require a users social security number for any reason.

THere’s not a single piece of ID on that list that I feel I can trust SL with.

Several Irish Travellers did verify, but they used your ID to do it with.

I know, before I even ask, that this is going to sound like a ridiculous question, but would you be able to explain what 'shelta' is? As a proud paddy myself, is this something I should know about???

Thanks for that info.......I'm familiar with Gammen, just that I'd never heard it called 'Shelta' before....

There's another type of 'language' that's used an awful lot by Irish musicians, 'Ben Lang', kind of a pidgeon-english type thing.....

...........
aygI'd laygike taygo sayg tayganks faygor thaygat ayginfaygo

translated as:

I'd like to say thanks for that info.....

Don't people EVER search the Forums to see if things have been discussed before?

Besides ... don't verify then. It's voluntary, unless you're planning to run a sex club why do you care? No offence, but the direction this thread is going in is new and interesting. There's a million threads re the legal implications this could go in, I want to know about the Irish side here!

wasted keystrokes Cherry, that same message is spammed to more than one thread, and I've dropped this person in my ignore bucket... not in the mood to feed into the flamebait

but if they happen to read this..
Bad Troll, no Bridge for you.... =)

Hey Cherry,

I'll be happy to fill you in about the Irish side.....

Regarding Age Verification - couldn't give a rat's behind, in Ireland the legal limit for entrance into sex clubs is 82. For alcohol consumption, you have to be at least 7 and a half.
But there is an exception to that.....Whiskey can be consumed as soon as a baby is on solid food for at least a week.

Smoking is of course mandatory for all Irish citizens, as is greasy fish & chips and bad fashion sense.

Any Irish citizen caught saying 'top of the morning' is immediately brought before a rebel firing squad and shot.....

As you can see, we're a very strict society with solid guidlines and lots of rules, but the government tells us it's all for our benefit, so who are we to argue.

If I think of anything else, I'll be sure to let you know.

Yes, but you need to convince LL to buy some lucky heather first. Once you've done that, you then need to point your baby at LL until they give you more of their money. Then you can yell abuse at them, camp in their garden, steal their belongings and finally steal the lead from the roof of their local church. Once this simple proceedure is complete, you should be able to claim the right to squat in SL regardless of the fact that it belongs to LL simply by claiming to be an oppressed minority when they try to stop you (even though you are not a distinct ethnic group - having nothing to do with gypsies - but are infact a lifestyle choice.)

Hey there was no emote symbol at the top of that post!

Occassionally I like to keep people on their toes - just to check they're paying attention. From now on though, no emote means it is a serious post said in a jocular manner.

Thanks, but I was referring to the linguistic stuff.

Irish nationality here, not a Traveller (though my family has given up on me and called me one on occasion) - not been able to verify. However, I do not reside in Ireland, I "travelled" to Germany, so who knows if my problem will ever be solved

I don't trust the Irish.

Any race who would employ such a comical buffoonish accent must be plotting something. Why else are they trying to lure us into a false sense of security?

I haven't tried to verify either (and not a traveller either!) - I was waiting til someone who was Irish could do the verification.

I was keeping an eye on the British thread, but since on their weather maps, most of Ireland doesnt exist (actually we got a mountain and a cloud the other night!!), we probably don't exist to the rest of the world either

Most of the rest of the world think you're from Chicago's south side.

Maybe not the General Populace, but some of us notice

Thanks

I'm still curious to know if its going to be easy to verify for us or not though

The travellers should in theory be amongst the easiest categories of Irish residents to Verify.
I use the term "easy" in a loose sense - meaning "less difficult / perhaps possible".

Travellers tend to move around a limited set of traditional extended family halting sites, depending on the season. Some of them also move between Ireland and the UK, where they would have particular areas as bases.

The booming Irish economy has triggered massive mobility of the general Irish population. Some people go through a number of postal addresses per year. Travellers are stick-in-the-muds by comparison.
LOL! The term for non-Travellers is the "settled population". Settled!!!!
We also have a huge immigrant population, many of them engaged in the construction industry. They have to build houses for themselves and other immigrants to live in. A lot of them are professionals and graduates. They were not "the poor, the huddled masses" of Poland. They are hip, tech-aware and using the Net and SL.

There's a huge number of Polish people here - so much so that the language appears in government publications.
So - we have a big population of immigrants, house-hopping as furiously as the native Irish.

Plus - we don't have postcodes/zipcodes in Ireland. They do have area codes in Dublin City, but these only refer to very large general areas.


I happen to have lived at the same address for the past 30 years. I should be one of the easiest to verify.
Again, I use the term "easy" very, very loosely.

So how can Integrity verify the data that I might give them?

1) All the ID stuff? Passport#, RSI#, Driver License#, ...
Nope. None of that is available to them.

2) Address?
They might have bought mailing lists from any number of Irish commercial entities. If I'm on any of those lists then for most of them the sellers are in contravention of our Data Privacy laws.
Whatever they have either legitimately or illegitimately will probably be difficult to match to whatever address I might enter.

I see a wide variety of addresses on stuff coming here by post.
The reason it arrives here is that the postman does a very good job in knowing his patch.
Many have significant misspellings.
Many don't have the house name.

I've worked with the address databases of many Irish organisations. The addresses generally only work when they are printed out on labels and sent in the mail (to be delivered by humans).
Our postal monopoly (An Post) has set up centralised sorting facilities, but I understand that the working environment is a warzone, with significant delays generated by the need for human intervention.
There is no structure. There is no postcode. The town name and county name might be in any of the address fields. Sometimes they might both be in a single field
It all depends on how the data was collected and entered.

If Integrity have address data on me that has been mined from my international Net purchasing activities, it gets worse. Non-Americans are routinely presented with forms that insist on a state and/or a Zip code.
OK!
State: Cork, Zip: IRL
Or some other combination.
Anything that gets enough information in there that the postman can read.


Another complication:
I've always been known by my second Christian name. On some databases, to keep the lawyers happy, I'm known by my first Christian name. This is not uncommon here.


The Irish are simply unsuited to being in databases.
We have a traditional suspicion of "the man".
We don't take shite from anyone.
We subvert and misdirect the *intrusive* stranger at every opportunity.
If we think that you're out to mess with us, heaven help you.
If you're open, honest and friendly, we'll love each other.


Getting back bang on topic:
Travellers tend to keep their personal business strictly on a "nobody needs to know" basis.

There is a problem with this thread question.
If any Irish Travellers have managed to verify, there's no way that they are going to tell anybody about it.



On Shelta / Cant
Yes. It's a live language, designed to keep outsiders out. It seems to be mostly English but with enough 'code' in it to make it mostly incomprehensible to the outsider.
Quite a few words from Shelta have begun to enter popular slang in the less polished areas of our cities.

I thought by Travellers she was referring to the group of Irish who travel across the United States running various scams and confidence games. ID theft and construction scams seem to be their stock in trade.

No. Those are our Trade Delegations, Government Ministers and their entourages, etc
Y'know - respectable business.


Travellers wouldn't be interested in operating in such a weak currency.

We actually do have a group calling themselves the "Irish Travellers" . They were on the FBI radar a few years back for all the scams they run across the country. They were big on hitting the elderly and offering home improvement services, for a big payment up front, then never returning to do the work. Last I heard they were getting into the ID theft big time.

Sorry for the confusion! I'm just interested in slang and argot and cant in general, so that was the first thing that came to my mind when I read "Irish travellers". It's quite interesting because it not only uses English, but also apparently a lot of Gaelic and even pseudo Gaelic words...