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Opinion Poll: How do you think Custom Anims will affect SL?

Nephilaine Protagonist
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05-28-2004 16:03
So I thought it would be interesting to ressurect this thread in light of what we now know about custom anims thanks to the preview. :)


*JUMP JUMP HAPPY DANCE LEAP SQUEAL GIGGLE JUMP DANCE FROLICK JUMP JUMP WIGGLE*
YAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
personally, i am elated. they are easier to produce and upload and use than i had imagined would be possible.

I was even able to make this!
*dizzy from considering possibilities*

I am having trouble finding words to express how excited i am over this feature.

what do you think?
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David Cartier
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05-28-2004 17:56
I don't envy LL when they start getting the "he gave me the finger!" abuse reports.
From: someone
Originally posted by Liberty Tesla
...More seriously, this does mean that PG-area rules will have to be enforced for gestures as well as speech.
Soren Romulus
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05-28-2004 18:34
From: someone
Originally posted by David Cartier
I don't envy LL when they start getting the "he gave me the finger!" abuse reports.



I like the idea of Custom Animations, but, this is what I see will happen when they are implimented:

All the Little furry Avs will get a hump the leg script. It will be nothing but animal humping everywhere you go..Little animals wanting to hump your leg, day in, day out.

The Sex trade will become the most popular and unregulated industry around with all the animations they will be able to do.

Me installing a new missle turret for all the invading Humping animals, thus having to figure out how to make it fit the DarkWood Theme..Maybe..Fireballs?

But really, after it all gets boring and we all realize that the R and X Rated Gestures are pretty useless and we then realize that watching two avs go through the motions or a group going through the motions of basically unrealistic sexual gratification, that we may really realize that our on 1st life may need to take priority and as they say, rethink the whole Get a Life statement.

Don't get me wrong, what you do with your Av in your Mature Sim is really your buisness, but if we really can't come up with more ingenius ways of using animations, such as a wonderfully acted play, a sports game, creating art or music or whatever, would really make us appreciate the creative side of us, then I would prefer to not have them.

Oh and another thing..Lindens will probably end up making a change to the TOS saying that any Humping of bystanders is cause enough for you to be suspended and all the other blah blah blah.

Play nice...

Soren
Chip Midnight
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05-28-2004 21:57
From: someone
Originally posted by Nephilaine Protagonist
\I was even able to make this!
*dizzy from considering possibilities*\


Neph, you're a genius!! I didn't even think about using custom animations to generate screenshot poses! :D
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Nephilaine Protagonist
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05-29-2004 17:07
why thank you chip! :D
mistress and torrid and launa and neil and a few others have been developing some GREAT single-pose anims, and I've made a couple that are dancey sort of moves that can be stopped mid anim to get a neat pose.

I'll be sticking the ones i've completed in a big red box over the casino in Chatruese- come by to pick them up and have fun dancing :D


also, for the record soren, i've been spending most of my sl time in the preview since it opened, and i've run across ONE sexxor anim. the rest of what i have seen has been dances, sitting and reclining poses, hugs, kisses, but suprisingly little sex.
not to say that sexxor anims HAVENT been produced yet in preview, or that they wont indeed be incredibly widespread-
i just think that the fixation on them as the Ultimate End Use of custom anims does NOT do the power of the tool we've been handed justice.
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05-29-2004 21:11
From: someone
Originally posted by Nephilaine Protagonist
I'll be sticking the ones i've completed in a big red box over the casino in Chatruese- come by to pick them up and have fun dancing :D


Thanks! :) If I can ever successfuly log into the preview, I'll do that! hehe
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Soren Romulus
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05-29-2004 23:21
From: someone
Originally posted by Nephilaine Protagonist
why thank you chip! :D
mistress and torrid and launa and neil and a few others have been developing some GREAT single-pose anims, and I've made a couple that are dancey sort of moves that can be stopped mid anim to get a neat pose.

I'll be sticking the ones i've completed in a big red box over the casino in Chatruese- come by to pick them up and have fun dancing :D


also, for the record soren, i've been spending most of my sl time in the preview since it opened, and i've run across ONE sexxor anim. the rest of what i have seen has been dances, sitting and reclining poses, hugs, kisses, but suprisingly little sex.
not to say that sexxor anims HAVENT been produced yet in preview, or that they wont indeed be incredibly widespread-
i just think that the fixation on them as the Ultimate End Use of custom anims does NOT do the power of the tool we've been handed justice.


Actually I really have no fixation on them..I mean watching two Avs having sex is really something that well let us just say that I find one on one rl personal relationships and interactions a little more gratifying..But..It does seem that most of the people I have talked to about getting animations can't really wait to be able to tie a av up and spank them till the cows come home. Just because you didn't see it in the preview doesn't mean that there isn't going to be a mass exodus of Monkey Leg humping interactions going on.. But Hey..Whatever does float your boat. I just think when there are really talented people, like you for one, being in some ways overshadowed by the next x rated interaction I would rather see what you create as a designer as opposed to the silly little things most people may want to focus on. Like the above mentioned interaction.

Come on..you know some one is thinking of doing one..Really..after all..How many Mature sims are there and well why did they ever have to create a forum ESPECIALLY created for the after dark crowd?

Just my opinions but again..Hey..I didn't come to SL for Love or relationships or well anything to do with my little inworld puppet being groped. I came here for the creativity and the freedom of expression and yes, they have their right to it, but it will happen, trust me. We had several people wanting to turn DarkWood into a Mature sim so they could have fake pubic hair and run well let us say little dungeons that had nothing to do with pain.

Soren
Kex Godel
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Join date: 14 Nov 2003
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05-30-2004 00:19
I'm impressed with the system which was put into place for the new animations.

We have two new top level folders.

Gestures: These are objects which map triggers to actions. Triggers can be chat commands, like /clap, or function key combinations, like Shift+F10. Actions can be animations, sounds, or chat text output.

Animations: These are the SL object representation of an uploaded animation. Clicking on an animation object in your inventory is a lot like clicking on a sound file -- you are given the option to play it locally (so only you see it, and your avatar remains idle in-world), or play it in world for everyone to see.

The scripting implementation seems to be quite useful as well.

Animations can be performed by script with the old llStartAnimation() call. Instead of specifying one of the built-in animation names, you pass a UUID (key) to this function. Animations which have the []Loop flag set when they were uploaded will continue running until you call llStopAnimation();

Since our avatars can be performing multiple animations at one time, we now have the ability to request the entire list of keys of animations currently playing with llGetAnimationList(). This should give us the ability to manage animations, and make it a lot easier to stop animations which get out of control, since now, finally, we can see exactly what animations we're playing and send a stop call for each of them.

Another note on gestures. The action output for gestures can now encompass multiple sounds, animations, and chat outputs, with settable delays between each. This allows us to do more than just mapping gestures to animations. In fact, this should even be able to replace the need for LSL scripts in some instances.

Overall, I think it turned out better than I expected. I hope we will be getting the ability to map custom animations over our idle state animations in the future, and perhaps we'll be able to integrate some of the animation keys in with LSL so that we can shake hands, hug, etc; but that's all further down the road, and I think what we have now is a great start =)
Rysidian Rubio
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05-30-2004 03:00
I have to say that I am soo impressed with the new implementation of custom animations, and also how easy it can be to make these.

Also I am so very grateful that I have not yet seen any sex anims in preview (there may be some in there but i've not seen them). Alot of people seemed to think (I was at times one of them) that sex anims would be some of the first created but they aren't it seems that dancing has taken precedence YAY! It may be due to the fact that Poser isn't cheap and people are having a hard time finding not so 'legal' copies on the web, so haven't had a chance to make any yet.

For anyone who hasn't checked out the preview yet i suggest you do so now! lol.

Also when you do check out the animation remote control i scripted which is like a dance-o-matic and lets groups of people do the same anim at the same time (i made it so some friends and I could have a ballet 'class' LOL). Look for the big word DANCE and u'll see it :)
Selador Cellardoor
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05-30-2004 03:33
<<Some people will look smooth and awesome and others will jerk around like spazzes.>>

I know I complain about PC, but this remark actually managed to offend even me.
Selador Cellardoor
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05-30-2004 03:37
Actually the thing that first came to mind when the announcement was made was 'masturbating griefers'. :(
Anshe Chung
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06-01-2004 07:39
I also hope we will see a wide range of things, including many artistic forms of expression :-)

However, I don't like the holier-than-thou attitute of some people here concerning love making animations. This is outright arrogant.

Doing mature things among conscenting adults can be done with style and grace, just like performing a ballet dance. It requires skill and imagination to do it well, to portray that special kinda feeling and sensation that makes people happy.

So you get down from your high horse now and have some respect for what other people enjoy. You can dance well or you can dance badly. The same way you can make love well or make love badly. If people like dance in virtual reality or make love in VR is their business and neither is better or worse :-)
David Cartier
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06-01-2004 15:40
Which brings to my mind the very real need for an ass-kicking animation.
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Originally posted by Anshe Chung
I also hope we will see a wide range of things, including many artistic forms of expression :-)

However, I don't like the holier-than-thou attitute of some people here concerning love making animations. This is outright arrogant.

Doing mature things among conscenting adults can be done with style and grace, just like performing a ballet dance. It requires skill and imagination to do it well, to portray that special kinda feeling and sensation that makes people happy.

So you get down from your high horse now and have some respect for what other people enjoy. You can dance well or you can dance badly. The same way you can make love well or make love badly. If people like dance in virtual reality or make love in VR is their business and neither is better or worse :-)
Nergal Fallingbridge
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06-01-2004 16:40
The burning question topmost in my mind is how fine the control over animation goes.

I haven't been in SL in a dog's age (bad me!) but can anyone tell me whether there's fine enough control to do a reasonable impression of sign language? Like, for example, making the 'ILY' handsign, or more complete sign language sentences.

There are some incredible examples of ASL poetry out there, and it would be a seriously, seriously awesome thing if someone had the mad skillz to transfer that to SL. Unfortunately, to really be perfect, we'd need an engine capable of fluid, _believable_ human motion and physics...
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Cybin Monde
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06-01-2004 18:38
Nergal,
unfortunately, nope. not possible. this has already been addressed in a seperate thread and the answer is that the SL model does not allow for custom manipulation of finger 'bones'. so, for now, there will be no ASL.

maybe in the future, especially since there are some stock animations for fingers.. like pointing and the peace sign. (of course, Damien has managed to get a pic of himself using it in a.. creative way. ;))
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Damien Fate
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06-02-2004 07:15
There are other ways of communicating "I love you" through animation, and i don't mean sex :P

One of the first animatinos I made was "I love you" where the avatar poitns at his/her chest then traces a heart in the air with his/her fingers then points. It's cute :D
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Soren Romulus
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06-02-2004 10:48
From: someone
Originally posted by Anshe Chung
I also hope we will see a wide range of things, including many artistic forms of expression :-)

However, I don't like the holier-than-thou attitute of some people here concerning love making animations. This is outright arrogant.

Doing mature things among conscenting adults can be done with style and grace, just like performing a ballet dance. It requires skill and imagination to do it well, to portray that special kinda feeling and sensation that makes people happy.

So you get down from your high horse now and have some respect for what other people enjoy. You can dance well or you can dance badly. The same way you can make love well or make love badly. If people like dance in virtual reality or make love in VR is their business and neither is better or worse :-)


The funniest thing I think is when people take an obviously funny opinion and turn it into something other than it is meant to be..duh...funny..duh.. But that is what I have found on these forums is either A: you can't post an opinion without being attacked or B: Have it turned into something it's not. So let me clear up a few things.

I DON'T CARE..Do what you want. Make all the fluffy leg humping Anim you want. Have a group of Avs groping and grinding all you want..I DON'T CARE. But Anshe, you should look at yourself for being judgemental and on your high horse. No matter what type of horse you ride on, when you say stuff like have some respect, then you should respect for others opinions. I think that this is suppose to be an OPINION POLL or was I mistaken?

Now Damien, good for you, creating an I love you that way..how creative and I think that you doing it that way is great!.

But one real thing that I feel about Self Anim is this:

If they are to be Sexually Explicit, such as what Anshe, obviously wants, for the sake of those who have children who wander their homes. For the Sake of those who out there may not want to see that everywhere and as what one post said, first thought was Masterbating Griefers, price them HIGH and I don't mean, like 200, 500, 1000 lindens, I mean higher, just so we can keep all the non-land owning, fly by nighters who don't want to give SL a real chance griefers from getting hold of these Anim so we don't see them being performed at the Welcome Area or any PG Sim.

So..this is my opinion and that is all that is it meant to be, just an opinion.

NOW PLAY NICE!!!

Soren
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