I have been TRYING to work with Gimp. I t seems to work pretty well. I believe it is more than I will ever need.
The biggest obstacle is if you are coming into this with no clue about what is actually happening.
There are a TON of "step-by-step" guides. I wouldn't call them tutorials, because in my mind a tutorial teaches you something, whereas most of the "step-by-step" guides tell you what buttons to click for a specific task, and that information doesn't translate well to other tasks, even if they are similar.
But they don't even have THAT for Gimp. You can find "step-by-step" guides for Gimp, but not for "Gimp and Second Life". Everything is always slanted toward the other big two, and it takes a bit of understanding to translate the UI commands given in those guides to a different product.
My hope is to supplement some of the PSP/Photoshop "step-by-step" guides with a Gimp version, but first *I* have to figure it out!
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Vershana Amarula
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Cindy Claveau
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06-01-2005 09:30
Okay, okay, I get it. Photoshop (PS) is for "pros". Paint Shop Pro (PSP - having trouble keeping these acronyms straight) is for casual users. Not a small detail is the x10 price difference between the products. And Gimp is apparently in a state of becoming. Vershana, I've been in your same boat. Today I finally ordered Photoshop 7.0 online for $50. It will do most of the stuff CS will do, it's still more feature-rich than my older Paintshop Pro, and since I'm buying the OEM version (just discs and registration, no manual) I'm relying on the vast number of Photoshop tutorials on the web. By comparison, Paintshop Pro v.9 is about $170 on the web. I'm saving a ton of money and I think I'm still going to end up with software that's superior to PSP. What about a tool for those of us that don't own property, and consider the $10 ONE TIME FEE already pretty hefty (as in, I don't want to spend 8-10 times as much for editing software as I did for my online membership)? I did a web search for "image editing freeware" and there are a TON of hits. I also have a ton of photo editing software that came with every CD/DVD player, scanner, camera and computer I ever bought. Some of its old, but I could spend six months just trying them all out (I've never had any interest in "photo editing" before SL). You're not only after 'photo editing' here, though. I'll let some of the experts address that, but the ability to manipulate textures in Photoshop is much more sophisticated than it is in, say, "Image Editor". So, if one rules out Gimp, PS and PSP, is there anything left? What if all I really want to do is change the color of the panties? How much Umph do I really need for very light, very casual tweaking of existing stuff? Go to Best Buy. Look on their rack of free/inexpensive software. You can find all sorts of cheapo graphics programs, like PC Paintbrush, for under $10-20. If all you want to do is apply clipart or change the shading on a template, you should be able to get by. Also, consider IRFanview, another free graphics program (more suited to capturing/thumbnailing screenshots but very useful within its limits) To change color, I usually defer to Lview, a freeware Windows 3.1 package that still works quite nicely on XP, thank you very much. Nothing wrong with LView. I used it for creating transparent images back before I upgraded to Paintshop pro. Again, you won't get much more than basic features with freeware (GIMP aside), but if you want to do all the kewl stuff like transparent lace & sheer layers, your life will be more manageable with some real graphics software. Cindy _____________________
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06-01-2005 10:12
Today I finally ordered Photoshop 7.0 online for $50. It will do most of the stuff CS will do, it's still more feature-rich than my older Paintshop Pro, and since I'm buying the OEM version (just discs and registration, no manual) I'm relying on the vast number of Photoshop tutorials on the web. Cindy, you might want to take a look at this page. The legitimacy of this seems dubious, especially if it was only $50. Just a heads-up. _____________________
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Cindy Claveau
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06-01-2005 11:27
Cindy, you might want to take a look at this page. The legitimacy of this seems dubious, especially if it was only $50. Just a heads-up. I'm buying PS7 from the same source where I purchased my OEM Windows XP for our 2nd, older, Win95 PC. It came sealed with license and registration, and I registered it with Microsoft without any problems. That XP disc cost me about the same thing. The issue of whether OEM is legal to redistribute is something between the software company and the retailer, as far as I'm concerned (pirated stuff is a different matter and something I would never condone). Spending $600+ on Photoshop just to get the manuals is not only ludicrous, but beyond the means of most of us working folks with families. I'll settle for a 2-version-old-obsolete copy without the manuals and I'll be happy about it. Anyway, it's not what this thread is about.  Cindy _____________________
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Judy Brodie
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06-02-2005 15:39
I personally prefer Corel Painter IX
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Jeffrey Gomez
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06-02-2005 15:53
To be fair, Painter is a completely different animal from tools like Photoshop and PSP. It's a painting tool using "natural media," not so much an image editor.
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Tasty Tapioca
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07-01-2005 09:21
I know this is kind of an old thread but I recently purchased PSP9 and am looking for folks who have good knowledge of its workings. Right now I'm trying to make alpha textures but am having some difficulty with it.
If anyone reading this knows much about PSP9, if you could please send some IMs my way in world (I dont read or visit the forums all that much) it would be very helpful. Looking to learn as I dabble my way through it. |
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Phoenix Psaltery
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07-01-2005 14:52
Whoops, 60 day trial. They used to do the 90 day thing back in the shareware days. PSP doesn't do well with files over 20 meg or so and I am on a AMD 2800 with 1 gig ram and a Nvidia 6600gt with 128 vram. When you get up into the 70meg range it becomes really slow. It doesn't print well much above the 20-30 meg range as errors start to creep in. Photoshop doesn't have near as much problem with large files as PSP does. Then again, you will rarely ever run into that sort of thing with SL except maybe dealing with the high resolution snapshots. That's ridiculous. I have used PSP since v.5 and regularly work with multi-layered files of 100+ MB. P2 |
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Kathmandu Gilman
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07-01-2005 15:25
It's not ridiculous, it is what I experience using it. Its what a lot of other folks experience and even JASC says it themselves, PSP is ideal for internet graphics. It is possible but it is slow... Photoshop handles large sized files better. Try and use an airbrush on a 100+ meg file in PSP 8 and it can take 30 seconds for the paint to start flowing and a good chance it will skip. Run a blur filter and you might as well go watch a movie or something. If you can get it to run smoothly and reliably on a consumer level PC, please share your configuration.
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07-03-2005 06:32
It's not ridiculous, it is what I experience using it. Its what a lot of other folks experience and even JASC says it themselves, PSP is ideal for internet graphics. It is possible but it is slow... Photoshop handles large sized files better. Try and use an airbrush on a 100+ meg file in PSP 8 and it can take 30 seconds for the paint to start flowing and a good chance it will skip. Run a blur filter and you might as well go watch a movie or something. If you can get it to run smoothly and reliably on a consumer level PC, please share your configuration. In my experience it depends more on the overall dimensions of the image being manipulated than the actual file size, at least for applying filters... I've worked with some massive files (Because of how many layers, etc, were involved) that PSP handled just fine, but try loading in one of the 80-meg super hi-rez shots that SL generates and yes, it's very sluggish (Though useable, with a little patience). _____________________
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Simone Stern
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07-03-2005 07:59
I have been TRYING to work with Gimp. I t seems to work pretty well. I believe it is more than I will ever need. The biggest obstacle is if you are coming into this with no clue about what is actually happening. Let me know what I can do to help. I work in GIMP exclusively, and have had to figure it out from the beginning, without help or prior experience with -any- art program, sans training, or even the benefit of watching over someone else's shoulder. I won't say I have it figured out utterly, but I have been stumbling around blindly for 6 months in The GIMP since my arrival in SL...and I'd love to make it a bit easier for those who can't afford the other programs. |
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Forseti Svarog
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07-03-2005 10:45
I know this is kind of an old thread but I recently purchased PSP9 and am looking for folks who have good knowledge of its workings. Right now I'm trying to make alpha textures but am having some difficulty with it. tasty, cris put up a great alpha channel tutorial on sluniverse.com I recently moved up from PSP to PS and while I'm having to relearn certain things, net-net I much prefer photoshop. |
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Vershana Amarula
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07-04-2005 07:39
Let me know what I can do to help. I work in GIMP exclusively, and have had to figure it out from the beginning, without help or prior experience with -any- art program, sans training, or even the benefit of watching over someone else's shoulder. I won't say I have it figured out utterly, but I have been stumbling around blindly for 6 months in The GIMP since my arrival in SL...and I'd love to make it a bit easier for those who can't afford the other programs. OMG Simone! The answer to my dreams! I don't have either PS or PSP, nor any intention of getting either, but like you said, ALL the SL docs on the web are PS/PSP related. I have downloaded GIMP (and even BLENDER - OMG) but even though I've toyed with it, I don't think I've gotten far enough along to actually even save anything. I would give anything for just a few simple explanations like those for other tools for how to do easy starter projects in SL. I'm no dummy (I only play on in SL  but I have no art or graphic design experience. I have played with lots of simpler tools, but I just don't "get" some of the things one needs to do when doing clothing and object design.I don't know how to move forward, but I'd give anything to leverage your experience at getting started. _____________________
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Simone Stern
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07-04-2005 08:38
Ok, no worries
Contact me at [email]simonesternsl@hotmail.com[/email] and we'll take it from there. I am currently out-of-world as the beast (comp) exploded into great flames and sparks.... =p Ok, so it will be a while before I can fix it Anyway Contact me and I can talk you though what I know |