Suspensions for discussing exploits in the forums

I would leave the dual suspension for only the most severe and exteme circumstances. Other than that its stupid.

I think most people would agree... unfortunately the particular Linden I spoke to on the issue seemed to think otherwise, and was unwilling to even consider the many benefits of detaching the two.

Lewis

I think it would be nice, and refreshing, if there were no exploits to discuss.

Maybe one day there will be an unexploitable patch

They ban people for talking about exploits but they let the cyber terrorists go free to grief us all... It goes to show its just like that old story. man steals a loaf of bread and gets his hands cut off for it, while an evil genius takes over the world and kills millions and gets away with it.

I would think the main reason behind the disparity in enforcement treatment is primarily because of evidence.

Even in the last 2 MMOGs I came from, certain violations get resolved faster than others and people complain of the disparity.

But if you studied the process and statistics you would find that the violations which were resolved faster were all ones whose evidence was easier to collect and verify. Fourm violations are by far the easiest to document.

It is no different here. Forum violations will always be resolved faster because the evidence is always clear and laid bare for all to see. In the past I have done board enforcement and also served as an experimental in-game enforcement volunteer. The big difference is that inside the world you have to locate the violation and you have to be lucky enough to be able to document. On the forum, it comes to you instead and is very easy to document.

Sadly griefing will always be a very difficult violation to document properly, thus I am not at all surprised that a lot of terrorists get away with it.

That's why I'm happy that LL is taking the route of anti-griefing tools. Enforcement and reporting will always be very difficult. Prevention by anti-grief tools is really a better way to go.

And that is the absolute truth of the matter. Until there is a avenue of customer service that customers can trust, customers will come to the forums in frustration.

Yes. The email addresses are black holes from which no one ever receives a reply.

Absolutely.

coco

I agree with this.

coco

Precisely!

And that is why, in a nutshell, that the forum punishments should not extend to the grid.

Here, we are invited to give our opinions, which we put down, of course, in writing. It's almost entrapment in that sense. "Sure, write what you want, but remember - you can lose your game for it!"

It is all wrong to punish speech on the forums by removal of the individual from the grid, where like as not, he has done nothing.

Suspension or banning from the forums for what one says in the forums would be sufficient. More is too much.

Isn't it strange?

When I first joined Second Life we really felt as though we were partners with the Lindens, fellow explorers if you like, of a new kind of reality.

Why is it now, more and more, that I feel the Lindens are becoming the enemy?

I agree Bri, plus its not evenhanded. One person can be sanctioned for doing the same act that is overlooked in another. There is no uniformity.

The suspension of the member who posted to warn the rest of the community of this dangerous exploit, but who did not provide the details needed to duplicate it, was wrong. I hope LL reconsiders this action and repeals the suspension of this long time member who has made a significant positive contribution to the SL community.

They have definitely become adversarial recently.

Thing is our forum and world accounts are linked.

From day 1 I always assumed the two are inextricably linked. That is, a violation on one side will penalize both presences.

That's why I'm careful both in-world and on-forum.

Keeping oneself from getting banned for any reason is always an easier propositon than having to get mad or fix things when a ban happens.

I'm not going to argue for now because at the moment I hold no opinion as to whether a forum violation should have in-world consequences and vice-versa. I advocate a preventive mindset, that is act in a way that incurs no ban on either side.

@Uma

Not my experience. If one loses his cool, complains and doesn't listen to and understand the replies one will assume an adversarial relationship. I have read many of the replies of the Lindens on the Answers forum, and IMO they are the excellent answers given prevailing conditions.

The texture theft exploit is my first major communication with Linden Lab. My experience of that was entirely pleasant. The responses of Robin, Brent, and Torley were such that I feel encouraged to report bugs the same way the next time I have to.

How is this adversarial? This was an email from Torley 3 days ago in response to the exploit data I sent in.

Its about time that LL cuts the cord and graduates from babysitting the forums. It is a waste of time and resources. I am fairly certain that there are more pertinent issues with Second Life that could be addresses rather than keeping tabs on who is misbehaving in the forums.

Yes, confirming officially that 2086 Tester is me. All accounts with the last name "Tester" are Linden-owned. I use my tester to... test things, esp. Resident usability problems. I frequently spend time on alts at present because it is very difficult to do bug reports, issue tracking, etc. on my main Torley Linden account when I am often being IMed. The attention is nice and I like to chat but it is difficult to concentrate at the task at hand.

In any case, verification can be obtained by emailing me personally (torley@lindenlab.com).

Thanx for your help.