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                | Hiro Pendragon bye bye f0rums!   Join date: 22 Jan 2004 Posts: 5,905 | 05-03-2006 10:23 From: Starax Statosky I couldn't possibly complain about somebody making a wand. In the same way that Cubey couldn't complain about somebody making an aircraft. Bring on the competition!!! * Whistles a happy tune nervously *  Not just a wand, but a wand that provides fun content on filtered chat. See, that's the difference. People have made different wands - heck just visit the elven areas - but it's the features and operability in SL that makes yours different from the idea of a basic "wand". And Cubey could complain in some obvious cases: 1. The code for his flight was somehow stolen, copied, and redistributed. 2. The design of one of his original aircraft designs was recreated. Heck, Starax, by your logic, we should all be able to pirate music because "you can't copyright the idea of music".
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                | Jonquille Noir Lemon Fresh   Join date: 17 Jan 2004 Posts: 4,025 | 05-03-2006 10:34 From: Starax Statosky To the west:
 You wouldn't leave $500 out in the middle of the street and not expect to see it stolen.
 I think a closer analogy would be...  If you leave your car parked in your driveway, you can't expect people not to jimmy your locks and steal it!
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                | Jackson Callisto Registered User Join date: 3 Mar 2006 Posts: 46 | 05-03-2006 11:43 From: Hiro Pendragon but many of us do take it as a job, .
i wonder how many will still be singin this is a job if one day people had to start filling out I-9's W2's and W4's and having to deal with taxes over there job on sl.. for some reason i have a feelin people will then all the sudden be in an uproar over how dare the goverment make us pay for a.. yes im gonna say that dirty dreaded word GAME. ok done trollin go back to your regular schedule post | 
        
            
                | Starax Statosky Unregistered User Join date: 23 Dec 2003 Posts: 1,099 | 05-03-2006 11:52 From: Jonquille Noir I think a closer analogy would be...  If you leave your car parked in your driveway, you can't expect people not to jimmy your locks and steal it!..in a city full of thugs, no police force and no Batman. | 
        
            
                | Desmond Shang Guvnah of Caledon   Join date: 14 Mar 2005 Posts: 5,250 | 05-03-2006 11:55 From: Jackson Callisto i wonder how many will still be singin this is a job if one day people had to start filling out I-9's W2's and W4's and having to deal with taxes over there job on sl..
 for some reason i have a feelin people will then all the sudden be in an uproar over how dare the goverment make us pay for a.. yes im gonna say that dirty dreaded word GAME.
 
 
 ok done trollin go back to your regular schedule post
If you are in the United States and seek to employ someone, you bet that I-9's are going to be involved.  The same with W2's and W4's.  Regardless if someone declares that what they are are doing is 'just a game' - the United States Internal Revenue service simply doesn't give a damn.  "Income" is to be reported.  No matter how you squirm, spin tales, 'explain', duck or dodge, at the end of the day you better report all of it or face the consequences.  Of course, with proper reporting one might be able to deduct expenses as well.    Where there might be wiggle room: if your activities are considered "passive income" or not.  If you place a vendor out with "SL's greatest product Evar", log out for a year, and discover you made 1M USD, that's not a job.  That's passive income comparable to an investment, and not subject to wage taxes.    You may be subject to other forms of taxation, though, depending what it is.  Possibly even the old, dreaded 'luxury' tax!  Nobody 'needs' stuff in Second Life.
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                | Strife Onizuka Moonchild   Join date: 3 Mar 2004 Posts: 5,887 | 05-03-2006 12:25 There is to be no naming of names (post #90).
 I'm going to venture a theory, your not going to find a satisfactory resolution to this. What is the resolution you are looking for? Is it reasonable/cost affective? It's safe to say that if LL hasn't done it already, it's not cost affective/reasonable. I had a job once where the work place politics were killer. When my contract expired I left; I didn't need the stress. To this day I still get stressed about talking about it. I've come to grips with that stress; it has taken the edge off it.
 
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                | Starax Statosky Unregistered User Join date: 23 Dec 2003 Posts: 1,099 | 05-03-2006 12:34 From: Strife Onizuka There is to be no naming of names (post #90).
 
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                | Thraxis Epsilon Registered User Join date: 31 Aug 2005 Posts: 211 | 05-03-2006 12:45 I find it interesting that people still say it is not morally right to create content based on images, memory and or descriptions of another object in SL... be it a building, a dress or car.
 Yet in the same reply you have the gall to say that creating a new script using those exact same methods is perfectly fine???
 
 As Starax's wand was brought up.. let's use that as an example.
 
 By the arguements used...
 
 I would be morally wrong to create a wand object based on the description of it
 
 "A black stick about 1 foot long with a white tip, with roughly a 1 inch diameter"
 
 But I am not morally wrong to create the scripts for that wand based on the description of how they act?
 
 "When you or someone else says the word water, you rez a giant faucet with water running, when you or someone else says the word fire you rez a giant fire......"
 
 So is the actual scripting and programming of so little value compared to a texture that you feel it shouldn't be afforded the same rights in your world of Intellectual Property?  Is the work put into it of any less artistic merit?
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                | Toshi Deckard Registered User Join date: 15 Jun 2005 Posts: 28 | 05-03-2006 12:57 I'm neither for or against this stuff because I see egregious examples of players infringing on copyrights such as Redline's popular Transformers Avies, or the abundant selection of sound vendors. All of these add to the flavor of SL. I couldn't imagine SL without this stuff. 
 There are several ways to deal with this...
 
 1. Ignore and keep doing your thing
 2. Submit an abuse report
 3. Work out some sort of percentage deal the player (30/70 or 40/60)
 4. Kindly ask the player to remove the copied stuff
 5. Stand in front of their shop and boycott
 
 If you have a defined style your stuff will always be the best. I think most players know this.
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                | Ulrika Zugzwang Magnanimous in Victory   Join date: 10 Jun 2004 Posts: 6,382 | 05-05-2006 15:53 From: Toshi Deckard There are several ways to deal with this...
 1. Ignore and keep doing your thing
 2. Submit an abuse report
 3. Work out some sort of percentage deal the player (30/70 or 40/60)
 4. Kindly ask the player to remove the copied stuff
 5. Stand in front of their shop and boycott
 
 If you have a defined style your stuff will always be the best. I think most players know this.
 Hmm.  Maybe a database of people who pirate works would be beneficial.  Does any such one exist? ~Ulrika~
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                | Goshua Lament Registered User   Join date: 25 Dec 2003 Posts: 703 | 05-05-2006 15:57 To be entirely honest, I didn't read the thread at all, but I appreciate the mention of the word "pirate" in the title. 
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                | Hiro Queso 503less   Join date: 23 Feb 2005 Posts: 2,753 | 05-05-2006 15:58 From: Goshua Lament To be entirely honest, I didn't read the thread at all, but I appreciate the mention of the word "pirate" in the title.Does anyone have a pirate memory game? | 
        
            
                | Starax Statosky Unregistered User Join date: 23 Dec 2003 Posts: 1,099 | 05-05-2006 16:03 From: Ulrika Zugzwang Hmm.  Maybe a database of people who pirate works would be beneficial.  Does any such one exist?
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                | Starax Statosky Unregistered User Join date: 23 Dec 2003 Posts: 1,099 | 05-05-2006 16:04 From: Hiro Queso Does anyone have a pirate memory game?I'm the only gay on the forums. | 
        
            
                | Jellin Pico Grumpy Oldbie   Join date: 3 Aug 2003 Posts: 1,037 | 05-05-2006 16:06 From: Ulrika Zugzwang Hmm.  Maybe a database of people who pirate works would be beneficial.  Does any such one exist?
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Why don't you start your own?  You can call it Ulrika's Shit List.  And then post endlessly about it here.
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                | Hiro Queso 503less   Join date: 23 Feb 2005 Posts: 2,753 | 05-05-2006 16:09 From: Starax Statosky I'm the only gay on the forums.How many calories in a post?  Anyone?  Post.  Anyone?  Post.  Anyone?  Post.  Anyone?  There are in fact no calories in a post.......so you can eat as many posts as you like! | 
        
            
                | Starax Statosky Unregistered User Join date: 23 Dec 2003 Posts: 1,099 | 05-05-2006 16:15 From: Hiro Queso How many calories in a post?  Anyone?  Post.  Anyone?  Post.  Anyone?  Post.  Anyone?  There are in fact no calories in a post.......so you can eat as many posts as you like! | 
        
            
                | Hiro Queso 503less   Join date: 23 Feb 2005 Posts: 2,753 | 05-05-2006 16:18  yeh ahh know | 
        
            
                | Ulrika Zugzwang Magnanimous in Victory   Join date: 10 Jun 2004 Posts: 6,382 | 05-05-2006 18:13 
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