Are others running classified ads on YOUR land?

Yah aint it? I was using it to make classifieds saying 'RIP OFF!' at places selling freebies

OK, deleted the bogus ad. Good discussion here...will try to post more from LL on the subject soon.

Best use ever. I hope a certain capitalistic legend got paid a visit.

I'm glad this red alert brought out good!

Like Events, it makes sense that you can allow/disallow who posts at your coords. It is *your* land, after all.

Well, they could make you join a group to place classifieds.

It doesn't seem like a major inconvenience.

ahh, YOU're the one

heheh

well ya know - they can't afford to make their own content - maybe they need the publicity - I'm providing a free service..

alas - you get what you pay for

Why not just restrict classifieds to being placed by Premium accounts?

There are a lot of freeloaders on basic accounts making money and taking it out of the game - and contributing nothing back.

If you actually think about it, what's the incentive of going up to a Premium account? The only reason is to buy land - but as has already been said, you can easily rent vendor space at a mall, and only have to use game money (which you can just buy on odd occasions until sales take off) to get by.

Add to the Premium requirement a check so you can only place adverts on land you own or are a group of, and this loophole is mostly closed.

Lewis

I didn't know this was possible. Maybe permissions for creating Classified listings should be set in the Land tools by the owner(s) of the land or something.

Perhaps, but your forum avatar is totally hot.

The one I saw in Sept. 2004 was one of the most welcoming things I saw here. Lash, do you still have that?

Why not make it possible to use the classifieds without owning land?

Why does everything need to be based on land ownership?

There is no land, it's just storage space and processor usage.

Tying the ability to place classified ads to land ownership doesn't even make sense in the pseudo-real world contest that seems to govern things here.

In the real world, one can place a classified ad without owning land - one just has to pay for it.

I'm not sure how my post was confusing. Someone who has no association with Reverie or the group, placed an ad in the Classifieds stating that something was on sale for a lower price at the Reverie shop. That information was false and caused a lot of customers to be confused, therefore it caused problems.

I completely understand that people need to place ads sometimes when they don't own the land. I'm not saying that option should be taken away but there definitely needs to be fine tuning.

If they're actually earning money in-game from other players through something they're selling... they're contributing. Every dollar they make is a dollar someone brought into the game so they could buy whatever it was.
You tell me, why should I pay $10/month for 512m^2 of land in a ghetto instead of $33/month (of which Linden Labs gets about $20) for 6144m^2 in a sim that's actually got a manager?
Why is it a "loophole"?

I don't think it's your post or description of the events that's confusing, but rather, why anyone would do it in the first place. They aren't gaining sales, or traffic, or.. anything, at all, unless they got a good giggle out of causing confusion.

Yeah, that's very strange.

Exactly what I meant to say, but worded better hehe. I was confused as to why someone would do this or if they had Reveries items by some exploit *shrug*

How did you get it was helpful? If you read the ad it states "Selling Female AO Package. Orig price $1000 sell for $850"

IF the person had good intentions, I'm thinking he was trying to advertise one that he had that he didn't want anymore. Seems odd that the location is at my store for his ad (a quick check on the about land shows object pruning is set for an hour).

I believe in giving people the benefit of the doubt most of the time--more then likely he had good intentions. The ad was removed, and it's old news now. The discussion here isn't about this particular situation or this particular person, though. Hell it's not even about his specific actions. It's about what transpired out of what may have been good intentions to a potential breech of security (albeit a strong way of putting it). Honestly, I can see both the pros and cons of the current system.

I'd say let's not focus on the individual actions of each occurance of possible griefing... rather lets focus on what could be improved to give people a better sense of security, and what could make both sides happy.

--Water

When I read it the first time it didn't strike me as someone trying to sell a used one, but now that you mention it. Just bizarre since most people wouldn't know who placed the ad so it's a rather odd way to try and sell something second hand. At first I thought it might be just an enthusiastic customer.

Maybe whoever set the ad thought that the it would be associated with his avatar, rather than his current geographical location ...the fact that you set these things up via a tab on your avatar profile (rather than a tab on the land properties) could easily lead you to that assumption.

Just a thought.

I think this discussion needs a little application of marketing 101, as people dont seem to be seeing the potential damage this could cause.
I could list off an infinite number of real world scenarios to point out, truly, how ludicrous and unacceptable this is. However it really is common sense so Ill just point out a few SL scenarios.

-Freeloading: using someone elses traffic and location recognition, that they worked hard to achieve , to cheaply and simply sell your product with little overhead.

-Counter Marketing: Intentionally placing an advertisement, over a competitors land to confuse, mislead or slander your competitor.

-Whats yours is mine: As with the first example with reverie, using a stores location and recognition to sell a product you bought form them like a garage sale... only youre having it in THEIR store. Obviously counter productive to the land owners purposes.

-Predatory marketing: A larger business with more funds and flexibility for placing ads, intentionally advertising over smaller competitors in an effort to destroy any competition to their product.

That last example there was specifically for all the "little guys" who think this is a good idea so that they can advertise even though they dont own land, you're not immune, and this IS dangerous.

Here's how the real world works: If you own land... you have the right to say what can and cant be advertised on that land. period. Advetisement that is not condoned by you is frequnetly known as "vandalism". This is why marketing IS very closely tied to a place and location and not as stated previously by another poster, simply a matter of purchasing a classified. What that poster meant, I assume... was buying classifieds in newspapers, which SL already has, and they do sell advertisements and classifieds. If you are renting land for your store, either you advertise in a publication or the owner of the land puts up advertisements on your behalf.
What this means to SL is classifieds should only be postable on land you own, or on group land, postable only by an officer. If the person you're renting from will not put up an ad for you, or an ad for the rental location, maybe you need to find a new location, or advertise in one of SL's newspapers or magazines.
Again in the real world, malls advertise themselves and their clients as part of the incentive for paying for a location in their mall. The individual stores in the mall can also feel free to spend their own money to take out ads in a publication but are rarely allowed to advertise however they see fit inside the mall. SL should be no different.
Also in the real world, if someone were to come and spraypaint or plaster advertisements all over your property, they could be arrested, as this is illegal.

Finally, a note to Linden Labs, if you *really* think this is acceptable, or even "low priority" I think your director of marketing may disagree strongly when the welcome area is covered in advertisements for ActiveWorlds and There. See, me even mentioning those names in your forums got you a little peeved didn't it? Fix this... its unnacceptable.