Poll: Getting The View You Pay For

Do you expect to have view that is hopefully pleasant, if not quite pleasant, at least tolerable, in return for your land payments?

I can't answer this given the options available.

If you want the view - buy it. Thats the only way you can have control over what you're looking at..

buying a plot then expecting all the plots around never to have anything you don't like on it is just - well - boneheaded.

Just as you may look out your virtual window and say 'my god - my neighbours ugly build ruins my view!', he may well be saying the very same thing.

Or you your right to a nice view greater than his right to use what he pays for?

In this 'me-first' society who knows?

Please elaborate.

I can't edit the poll, which is both sad and makes good sense.

I think there are people who pay to have a a houselike build and don't plan to do much more than have some friends over to chat or have some AV sex. They would be willing to pay for that. They don't care about all the art stuff and certainly don't want to be reminded of the horrible things that go on all the time in the outside world.

This poll is for them, to see if that might describe some part SL's customers.

What extra choice would you have been able to select as your answer?

The poll question was:

Do you expect to get a tolerable view in return for your tier payment?

And the Choices were:

X When I pay my land fees, I expect to be able to enjoy the view If I can't, I won't pay.
X I don't mind paying to look at stuff I hate.

My logical choice to answer the poll question was No, I don't expect to get a tolerable view in return for my tier payment. That's because my tier payment only includes the land that I own - not that of those around me.

That said, that doesn't mean that I *like* paying to look at stuff that I hate. So I couldn't vote. I imagine Gabe was in the same boat.

If I wanted to buy a house to stay in-world when I am offline and have friends drop by I would of course expect to have a pleasant view. Paying for a lousy view doesn't make sense to me at all.

The view block solutions, being able to block view by parcel, by item key, by creator, etc., whatever the maximum level of control by the individual over what they see can be made to work technically, make good sense to me.

This would strengthen the "building a shared world" aspect of the program, since people would have a reason to make things that others would choose to see.

When you go to a restaurant, you pay for the specific items that you order, but some things are expected by most people without being itemized on the bill.

You get to sit at the table.

You expect to get silverware and plates to eat the food with and from.

You expect to have the temperature maintained within comfortable limits.

You probably wouldn't keep going to the restaurant if the other customers got to display giant signs promoting this or that that offended you.

If paying for land only included the land that you are paying for in an itemized manner, Linden company could just not give you any access to any of the rest of the grid at all, and you would have no grounds for complaint.

eep I couldn't vote. No option was right for me.

Yes I expect to get a good view, but I rarely do get one. someone is always building some ugly shit near me. Hell I even bought a couple of islands, damn I miss that peace somedays and lack of lag hell found everywhere on the main grid grrrr.(45 fps is a load of shit)

If my area starts to suck hard I buy in a new area and move and wait for it to suck again then move and wait...

No I shouldn't have to but SL is too unorganized to do anything else.

You do have a choice, however - as to whether you want to live in a zoned community, or out in the 'Wild West'. Those options are available today, although may vary in affordability.

When you purchase a plot of Land, all Linden guarantees to you is that you will have a certain amount of prims available to you, and a slice of land that you are authorized to build on.

When you purchase a plot of Land in a zoned community, you get extra features/limitations on top of that - and you pay accordingly.

While its in everyone's best interest to be a good neighbor, I wouldn't expect to dictate to those around me what they can or can't build unless I agreed to it ahead of time before I purchased my land. I chose to build on the mainland without zoning for full flexability. Of course, that comes at the price of potentially having a distasteful neighbor. I understood those risks before I bought.

Almost all the land purchases made in the real world take place under some kind of constraints about what you can do on the land. This doesn't seem to keep people from buying real world land.

All the virtual land that Linden sells, every single bit of it, is sold with constraints on both content and on the behavior that can take place on it.

There are constraints on content and behavior on private island sims.

The question of whether there should be content restrictions is a moot point. There are content restrictions. There always have been, and there most likely always will be.

The question is not whether there should be content restrictions on landowners, but just what the restrictions should be.

You already get what you pay for. It just so happens that you want more than you can afford, and so, much like in air travel, you often find yourself stuck between a smelly fat guy and a soccer mom with a crying baby.

Post of the week.

I couldn't have explained it more eloquently

If the airline finds they are not earning a high enough profit with their current seating arrangements and price package, they might need to change the seating arrangements they include in their ticket price in order to maximize profits.

The choices LR is offering customers may not be the choices that maximize profits.

Companies that have rigid viewpoints about what they offer customers, instead of listening to what customers want in return for what they pay, often go out of business.

What do you propose?

Good points, Suezanne. And maybe the answer is more Linden-sponsored planned communities. As long as they're new communities, and everyone is on board before hand, I'm fully supportive.

I think they're hoping that the Wholesale Sim auctions will go in this direction - but the fatal flaw there is much like Blumfield. Assuming Purchases instead of Rentals/Leases - Residents can't enforce any pre-agreed zoning requirements themselves without Linden's stamp of approval.

I don't know that I have anything new to offer, people have suggested alternative methods of selling land, such as zoned sims before.

The goal from my viewpoint is not to increase Linden profits, that is their concern.

My goal is to have a way to buy land that suits people well enough to reduce the number of George Bush Sign threads in the general forum.

If I understand correctly, when one "rents" from individuals here it has to involve a group.

I think that needs to be changed.

If Linden Lab does not want to perform the services that a virtual landlord needs to in order to serve customer demand, then the people who buy sims need to be able to sell the land in the same way that Linden does.

I don't want to write anymore on the topic till I get some feedback on how the land rentals work, I may be working on old information that I don't remember accurately.

(Hee hee, I just made my spell checker learn Eggy as a new word.)

Eggy is too a word! "That quiche came out too eggy."

Case closed.

coco

Enabran sometimes gives the impression of supporting the free market, where entrepreneurs shift what they offer in search of consumer dollars.

Now he is supporting an approach to the provision of services that is more like what a government or protected corporation would, a take it or leave it, we don't care what people want, either you buy what we sell or to hell with you, we didn't need your money anyway.

How someone could act like they support a market economy and reject the idea of making customers happy escapes me completely.

If you find that your company is not doing well selling shit, you need to try offering food instead.

Wrong options..

Here is the crux of the problem. LL steadfastly refuses to offer zoning, preferring such alternatives to be resident operated. However, they do not follow up with the tools to support those efforts. The bottom line is, there is no zoned option for those who wish to buy land. (I understand that we are all really leasing land and not buying anything. LL chooses to use the term "buy" so I will use it as well.) Anyone who wishes to buy land in a privately zoned sim and agree to the terms set forth cannot do so. A group of people who wish to participate in a themed sim(s) on the mainland cannot do so without putting themselves at risk due to the inadequacies of the group function. That LL has not addressed this problem by convincing itself that renting on a private island is good enough in terms of alternatives, is really beyond me. Talk about a "What were you thinking?" scenario.

This seems to be changing.
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Also read the M2 of last week, Philip talks abit about new group tools.

New group tools with the new multi-sim auction can make the main land look really different.

As to the poll; it would be more fruitful to focus on those who have been faced with neighboring builds which were intolerable. The definition of intolerable being that it caused you to alter your participation in SL. That is, did you relocate to another mainland location, switch to renting and if so to a mainland or a private island rental, or did you tier down and out?

It would be interesting to know how many people actually remove tier from LL since moving to a private island really doesn't significantly effect their bottom line. It would also be interesting to know how many sell to land dealers at a lowered price; this action provides incentive for and thus insight into the griefing action in addition to the profits gained from those buying the grief builds at an exhorbant price. Furthermore, keep in mind that the act of tiering up to buy your view as a preventative measure is a benefit to LL.

Here's a better question... Should your neighbor have power over you to tell you what you can and can't build on your own land?

or maybe this... Are you paying for land on which you have the freedom to express yourself as you see fit within the confines of the TOS, or are you paying to be beholden to any angry mob that takes issue with your tastes?

Other.

While I don't expect to control my view in all details, and realize I may be subjected to views I would rather not have (Crappy stores or clubs, or whatever), I do feel, since I am paying US dollars for the land, I should have a certain right to not be subjected to harassment in regards to the value of my land.