Linden Labs doing everything they can?

Do you think the Linden Lab's message 'we'll hand over your data to the FBI' (announced months earlier) enough to deter grid-crashers?

Well obviously not.

dam im gona miss Primworks Show & Tell /cry
-LW

Geez caint even BEGIN to vote on this poll

aint even herd a WERD from Ginsu neever

BTW, my event (scheduled in 10 minutes, a Show and Tell) will probably be hosed by this

First, Linden Labs took away event grants -- no problem, I'm doing the even on my time and money, and my land
Then, Linden Labs took away dwell -- no problem, I'm doing the even on my time and money, and my land
Now, the grid is crashing -- and I'm MAD!

I know Linden Labs are NOT the ones crashing the grid, but I say the 'verbal message' is NOT working! Find another solution! There were many proposed! Choose one that can be implemented fast, and do it, please!

Make it so 'crime does not pay'!

No it is not enough, IMHO ... the threat is no good if they do not follow up on it, it is like telling your son or daughter that cause the misbehaved they get no dessert and then allowing them to have ice cream when their grandma shows up later on that night.
Threats or threats of punishment do not work with out a follow through and a plan for it..........

Yeah, like a "Time Out."

I hate to say it, because I don't want to come across as a violent person, but hoenstly, until there are reports of Script Kiddies like this recieving savage beatings, stuff like this will continue. NOt just in SL, but elsewhere on the 'net.

PSA: If you know a Script Kiddie, Haxxor, Cheater, or Team Killer, talk with them. Explain how their actions influence your life, and ask them to stop. And if they don't listen, beat them bloody with their own shattered computer.

Wow what an amazingly biased poll.

I think it's more appropriate to ask what can they do. When you come down to it, without a drastic change to the way the grid itself works and tracks items it's impossible to prevent stuff like this.

Yes. But it's NOT the first time the grid is being crashed. I think it's about the 5th or 6th time in the last 6-8 months.



They got TONS of ideas of that many are viable in my opinion. They just need to get their acts together! (And yes, invest some time, money, people-hours.)

hummm, dont we know threats dont work against terrorist? I have seen Lindens in action against the terrorist threats in 2005, they ban his IP addy and then all his family IP addys, what more could they do? We have SOOO many players now, anyone have a better idea? We have seen the "Players" who make new characters to only be found by the Lindens and ban over and over again...what to do? As in rl, I think they are doing the best they can do, sadly enough the world is just a messed up place these days...real or second life.

A credit card is always given by the bank to A PERSON. Thus, it should be possible to find the person who's responsible.

And don't give me the 'it's a stolen credit card' thing. Even easier: that's credit card fraud, too, that means all the 'logged in from IP address' logs and email address can help in finding the person responsible, and the penalty should be even higher.

Anyone can buy a Visa gift card at a bank, and they are virtually impossible to trace. I say we form a posse, find the griefers, and castrate them all.

P2

Well, I still bet if a 'real terrorist' was using that card, he/she'd be at Guantanamo already.

But in this case, too, I don't think it's too hard to trace the card to a person. It is, after all, the point of credit cards to have everyone and every purchase in a database, so everyone can be traced anytime.

No there not doing all they can in facty there doing nothing there so money greedy the wont bann a paying customer even if he is crashing the whole game cause its lost money to them. This has become a total joke im sick of it . Wanna play a free game thats just as fun as this and will cost you nothing??? and even better theres not 1 lil pimple faced ass that tries to crash the game. www.silkroadonline.net trust me you wont play this game much anymore i know i dont .

I haven't seen simple good idea yet. Most of the "ideas" are thrown out by people that do not understand the actual underlying system. Or haven't thought through the impact the changes would have.

The distributed nature of the game, and the way that items are tracked, make something like this almost impossible to prevent. It's a design choice they made, that is now being exploited. That does not mean it was an incorrect choice. It means that it was the decision that allowed scripters the most flexability and the team decided that the pro's outweighed the cons.

It isn't impossible to prevent, they just don't care to.

As I noted elsewhere, when you have no profits to lose through yet another of the same trivial attacks you tend to concentrate on flexi-prims. The empty claim "we are working with the authorities" notwithstanding, all it costs them is some aggravation and the "sorry for the inconvenience" message (but they can just cut and paste that from the last attack).

What really sorta baffles me is that the folks who have to come in on Sunday to clean up these messes ought see that it is in their own personal interest to do something. If everytime I left my home it got burgled, I might just invest a little time in putting a lock on the door.

Every purely technical problem has a technical solution - by definition. All you need is sufficient motivation and cleverness. One or more of those is lacking.

You have a great forum icon.

A true griefer would think any threat is laughable. I have witnessed this. it encourages them. The best way to handle this is to PREVENT it... Some... Somehow... >.>

They're debit cards, which means LL should be able to differentiate between them and real credit cards.

I never said it was impossible, I just said that it requires some drastic changes to the way things currently work.
The idea that they don't have profits to loose is simply incorrect. Quality of Service is what keeps people paying for the game. If the grid was attacked and down for 4hrs every day, obviously people wouldn't pay 1k+ a month for virtual land they cannot even access.

I'm sure they have been doing alot of research on this. Do you think they like having to bring down the grid for a few hours every time this happens? What I think will happen in the shortterm is they will make a system to make the downtime alot shorter.

I agree, however your asserting that this is a "purely technical problem" which it simply is not, which makes your entire point invalid. Any changes to how the grid or lsl works impacts every single person on the grid. Usually in ways they don't even forsee. Remember the backlash when they stopped allowing objects to give other objects inventory? Now imagine if they put a limiter on rezzing objects from inventory, many weapons would simply be destroyed, some flight accelerators, "holo" vendors, all sorts of innocent bystanders would be gone. For example, I have this amazing sword, that will create 32 particle emitters that flow around me causing an amazing looking cherry blossom petal effect. Since there is no way for the asset server to track "generation" of items, things like this are simply undistinguishable from an object that will cause havoc accross the grid. And now your problary thinking "then why not have it start tracking generation" this is where the fact that I said it cannot be done without a significant change to the current system. When you rez an object, it's not tracked by the asset server anymore, it's tracked by the sim that it's on. Tracking generation is simply impossible without getting rid of the central asset server, which is not a minor change, and would open a whole new bag of worms, like seperate sim asset server crashes, which could be even more damaging to inventories.

As this is like the 15th billion grid attack and going down again...I would like to tell you what happened in SL a month ago....I was having my Grand Opening....and the day of the Grand Opening....I had a gentleman shoot up my guests.....I immediatly asked him why he was doing that, and his response was I didnt....I had a very bad feeling for some reason and began asking where this gentleman was living in RL. He refused to answer! I asked him several times....he would not answer so I banned him, however, he was somehow able to fly through the sky and shoot at the guests once again.....He IM'd me and said why you ban me....I said where are you from in RL...He finally answered me and advised he was from Saudia Arabia. I immediatly reported this to LL as a abuse report. I TOLD them they need to look at this seriously....of course I have no idea what the outcome is....BUT now over the last month and all these grid attacks, you have to believe taht they are not taking these things seriously enough! Maybe when peeps start selling off their land they will take notice....I AM NOT paying for something that I can not use!

They have the visa logo on them, and are processed by visa the same way as their credit cards. Beyond the unique prefix number it's completly transparent to the company processing the sale. Also if they didn't allow visa check cards, I know I wouldn't beable to use SL anymore. I'm sure there are quite alot of other people that would be in the same boat.

If your trying to imply that LL doesn't ever suspend people for assault AR's being filed against them, you might want to look at the police blotter to understand how wrong you are.

I think that the poll is unfair at this time. Perhaps the perp gets busted for this one and his info does get handed to the FBI. I think that would be sufficient if he was made an example out of.

And unless they get things back up by 6pm, I'm gonna miss my favorite game show...
</shameless plug>Payment Podium, at the Shelter.... Oh well, I guess there's always the TV.. ewwww, what AM I saying?? shudder....