is SL about to be sold?

What does the richest man in the world buy his kids for their birthday ?

Their own world ?

Makes yer think...

(And I hear he tinkers with computer software as well)

I didn't get a world, I got a laptop. And no, that's a rumor, I don't like to program or code.

Heheheh. Yeah. It would be fun to own a world

-source

OH! Tks... wonder how the top ten list of company living on SL - then look like?

1 - Linden Lab 70 + 20

2 - ?

3 - ?




Tina (PetGirl Bergman) – The Lady of Light.

Er...huh? Companies living on SL--what?

Oh yes.. ,,, where are you on top 10 or maybe 100?.. I am maybe in the end of top 10.000 in SL... no FIC no own name... only hard work)) he he..





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I have no idea what you're referring to...top 10/100 of what?

Took it away...

/Tina

Um, no shit? That doesn't help... It might help to learn English better before attempting to communicate with it...

Or you that can communicate fluently by using English describe what it that you dont ustand more specific to poor me that uses English as second language.. its looks to me more polite to do that...

That if you are serious interested in this.,. or only want to be funny on another persons try to communicate...

/Tina

Funny...I could've sworn I WAS quite specific in post [post=946478]108[/post]: and then previously:Come on, Tina, put it all together; it's really not that difficult...

Perhaps you mean top companies IN (not "living" SL, but LL isn't IN SL, per se; it IS SL, which is why what you said is confusing. Who knows...I don't care anymore.

Tks you made (not) my day.... /Tina

What Tina probably meant was:



One might argue, if it makes sense to include Linden Lab in such a list. I can see reasons to do so - at least for comparitative purposes.

p.s.: I have to agree with Tina, that "It might help to learn English better before attempting to communicate with it" is not the most polite way to phrase a concern about someone elses abilities with the english language.

Yes, well, after the 3rd attempt I was getting sick of dealing with her.

Anyway, LL shouldn't be on the list since LL RUNS SL. But I still don't understand her question--does she want a list of the # of employees in-SL companies, or something?

So glad that you've been entertained. You have optimistic expectations and know of no plans to sell.

I'm left with a different impression. Of course you have optimistic expectations or you'd be elsewhere. Of course you know of no plans to sell; unless you were on the board, and presuming you have incentive stock options you might not know of any plans if there were any until such a time as the deal was well vetted by the attorneys and inked.

To its customers, SL hasn't gone static, it has regressed, it now performs far worse for many players than it ever has and the entire last year of release notes show the release of not a single new substantial feature that works reliably.

I too find this thread entertaining for two reasons. The first is that Philip has not chimed in with his sentiments and no one has registered any real numbers or (non-binding) statements of intention. The second is that from the start of the thread, a sale of SL/LL has been presumed to be a Bad Thing for reasons that I'm not sure anyone has clearly articulated.

So long as we are dealing in speculation, I'll offer mine: as folks have noted above, Philip may have a fat wallet from his departure from RNWK - one could grovel the public SEC filings if one cared to know. He probably did make a bundle on departure, he probably still has a bunch athough he also could have spent it on a tons of caviar to fill a swimming pool but we don't know and that is not a matter of public record nor should it be. However, having a pile of money typically affords someone the leisure to pursue what is fun to them. From what public indications I've seen recently (I'm just one person who isn't paying a whole lot of attention), Philip seems to be enjoying his recent press junket or so he said at the townhall. If something more fun came knocking at his door, Philip would probably be able to pursue that. It is not self-evident that Philip's leaving LL would have an effect either positive or negative upon SL. To repeat: in a thread of speculation, the preceding paragraph was my personal, speculative opinion.

Well as much fun as this all was for you guys, it's a shame Philip and friends cant see beyond the rumors and fierce discussions in these forums and elsewhere to realise that this sort of speculation and drama is a symptom of having to deal with a company that is dire in respect of communication.

Oh sure, you have dev blogs and staff musings and lots of grand (and often misleading in my experience) PR type stuff. But that's all so much fluff and interests a select few techi wiki scripterati FIC types (or something. I forget the correct term) and potential customers.

The rest of us would just like some basic responses to some basic questions most of the time. Or just to fleetingly feel like we're not just talking to a brick wall.

Like when dozens of people have mentioned a pretty serious bug and are met by stony silence. It just leaves you wondering whether you're going to do anything about it? Or if you even know about it?

Or like do you ever read feature requests? or the votes? why dont you interact and let us know you're hearing us, or how feasible and if it's being considered or whatever? (I mean beyond marking one as 'acknowledged' or 'cant be done' once every three months). As far as I can see, many of the features implemented in recent history are things LL want that make good press, while a plethora of great ideas and proposals are wholesale ignored despite constant recurrence of their discussion and renewed requests over, in some cases, years.

Or like when you just nerf features or change their functionality so it breaks existing stuff without so much as a word. And then we get no communication about why or if it's permanent or what, so we go change a bunch of scripts with a workaround because you just killed our entire business with an undocumented change, and then you kindly reverse it.

Or the incredible inconsistencies and double standards you display in your daily enforcement of the ToS and never address when it inevitably erupts into drama threads. It's only natural people will be put out when they see one person being treated one way and another treated another for the same thing.

Even 'Second Life Answers' is a joke. Posts are cherry picked for the easy ones to respond to, and often a 'we'll get back to you' is the only answer ever given. Much of the time the response serves only to prove that whoever addressed the post didnt even take the time to read or understand it.

I mean, for myself - and I know for absolute certainty there are others who feel the same way - I've just stopped interacting with the Lindens at all. What the hell is the point of bug reporting or feature suggestions or voting when there isn't any evidence that you even look at them or care?

I will never consider Second Life a viable platform; not because of the product per se, but because of Linden Labs attitude and track record and having no clue where it's all going. Don't get me wrong, I'm all for change - just not undocumented ones that break months of works or bugs that destroy months of work that you're not even remotely interested in trying to rectify or even acknowledge. Change and stability are not mutually exclusive.

As such, I gave up on SL and all the ideas I wanted to realise in it because it's a thankless and unrewarding task, not least because it's subject to change at any time without notice. I know of plenty of people that have moved on for similar reasons and I know even more that are beginning to see things that way and looking to channel their creativity elsewhere. If only there was an elsewhere.

I really hope that a viable competitor does pop up in the near future, if only to kerb LL's complacency. And don't think for a minute that people are loyal to LL. It is not crack cocaine. It's a stepping stone for many who believe the future lies elsewhere and will have little to do with LL beyond fond (or frustrated) memories of the early days. They'll drop you like a hot stone and shovel their money to the other lot in buckets the second something promising comes along.

LL may think they're communicating, but they're really not. Not on the issues that matter to many of the people investing their time, money and energies into SL.

But still, at least our concerns are good for a few snickers around the office

Anyhoo, that's that off my chest. You may all go back to your regularly scheduled entertainment now...

Jeez, Eep, do you figure PetGirl finds her difficulty communicating in a second language any less frustrating than you do? I admire the heck out of anyone who is able to use a foriegn language for something of value. Take a chill pill, and have a smurfy day.

Andrew, thanks for posting! It's wonderful to see one of the devs following the community side of things and taking the time from what I figure must be an insanely busy schedule to post in the forums.

Kris Ritter:

As silly as it may sound to some, I do feel great loyalty to LL and the SL platform. I don't see myself immediately jumping ship to another platform where the pixel grass is greener. This loyalty isn't just inertia or force of habit. I genuinely like the Lindens and the free wheeling way LL operates. I like SL as a platform. I'm constantly excited about the possibilities.

The Lindens are individuals, with individual personalities that are allowed to show, thanks to Linden Lab's open attitude. There's no "proper" corporate line they have to tow. I suspect that's because LL hasn't reached the MLTP (more lawyers than programmers) stage.

I think LL is small enough that there's no "deadwood" yet. All the Lindens seem to be dedicated and working hard at their tasks. They seem to be really enjoying their work.

I think LL is small enough that Philip's "dream" is still the real mission statement of the company. That's hard to maintain as a company grows. I think LL can pull it off.

I like the way SL is tring to be " the platform that does it right." That's a risky proposition for a company. Why do you think WOW is so hugely successful? It's because WOW follows a proven formula. WOW doesn't take any risks. LL is sticking their neck out with SL, trying to bring the world something new and different.

Blizzard (maker of WOW) knows exactly what they're doing. Linden Lab doesn't have that comfort. I like that. It's exciting. I wouldn't miss it.

I play other MMO's besides SL; I enjoy "The Endless Forest," for example. I don't have to choose just one. But I can't see myself ever abandoning LL and SL. I want to support their dream, because it's my dream, too.

Well Andrew, that will teach you to respond! It's a case of damned if you do, damned if you don't, so maybe the best thing to do is not make any effort quashing rumours at all.

Eep; please do not post derogatory comments aimed at other users, as per Section 5.1 of the TOS.

SL has an internation, diverse, user-base, for which English is not always the first language. I'm sure you will agree that LL does not want to alienate thier user-base by supporting your hateful comments.

If you don't userstand someone, either ask them to explain or don't respond.

Um, Strife, I did--THREE FREAKIN' TIMES. She STILL didn't get it... <shrug>

if LL is selling, i'm buying. is LL going public?!