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Free accounts will mean more scripters.

Rotary Fan
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07-01-2006 23:17
Free accounts will mean more scripters, I'm sure of it. More people standing immobile, not seeing anything happening inworld, their screens covered with scripting windows, maybe wearing a box when they're working on an attachment.
Aodhan McDunnough
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Join date: 29 Mar 2006
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07-01-2006 23:20
<--- here's one. That's how I came in last March.

But I wasn't wearing a box. More like I had to keep sitting on one to avoid griefers.
Rotary Fan
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07-01-2006 23:25
Some of 'em will be looking at SL with one eye and reading old copies of Dr. Dobb's Journal with the other.
Frans Charming
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Join date: 28 Jan 2005
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07-02-2006 01:47
It will also bring more wannebe scripters with buggy code, who think everything they do is the best and that they did it for the first time. [/rant]
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Vic Wendt
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Join date: 21 Jun 2006
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07-02-2006 05:34
It also means that people like me, professional developers who are interested in this sort of thing, this universe and its potential, get the chance to have a look-see and a play without having to spend cold hard cash.

yes you'll get some nubs.
yes you'll get some griefers.
yes you're get some people who will push the boundaries on the good and bad sides

but you'll also get new talent who otherwise wouldn't be bothered/couldn't afford it.

change is inevitable, in an online world only more so, evolve or become a dinosaur.
Anna Bobbysocks
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07-02-2006 05:40
yeah, it'll probably bring more users. goddamit
Cadroe Murphy
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07-02-2006 06:10
Yeah, and they'll probably be set to busy, and no matter how many times you say "watcha doin huh huh watcha doin?" right in their faces they just won't answer. Antisocial bastards...
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Rotary Fan
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07-02-2006 09:15
From: Vic Wendt
It also means that people like me, professional developers who are interested in this sort of thing, this universe and its potential, get the chance to have a look-see and a play without having to spend cold hard cash.

yes you'll get some nubs.
yes you'll get some griefers.
yes you're get some people who will push the boundaries on the good and bad sides

but you'll also get new talent who otherwise wouldn't be bothered/couldn't afford it.

change is inevitable, in an online world only more so, evolve or become a dinosaur.

That's a good thread idea. Free accounts means more professional developers. Needs some exclamation marks though.

By the way, when you use "nubs", is that pronounced like the word for hairs that are just starting to regrow?
Ordinal Malaprop
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Join date: 9 Sep 2005
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07-02-2006 09:20
Bloody scripters. What do they ever contribute? Unless they make vendors or bling or gambling machines, what's the point of them?

I think we should ban scripting that doesn't sell things or make things sparkle. After all, it's basically griefing isn't it?
Jeffrey Gomez
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07-02-2006 09:22
Oh noes. :p
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Rotary Fan
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07-02-2006 10:11
From: Ordinal Malaprop
Bloody scripters. What do they ever contribute? Unless they make vendors or bling or gambling machines, what's the point of them?

I think we should ban scripting that doesn't sell things or make things sparkle. After all, it's basically griefing isn't it?

Maybe we should have fields in our profiles for scripter and non-nonscripter, with LSL access to them so we can have scripts that ban people who can script.
Ordinal Malaprop
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07-02-2006 10:14
I think that would be an excellent idea. We could have a scripting function that could check...

...oh hold on, wait a second, there's something wrong with that.
Wrom Morrison
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07-02-2006 10:17
From: Rotary Fan
Maybe we should have fields in our profiles for scripter and non-nonscripter, with LSL access to them so we can have scripts that ban people who can script.


I toyed with the idea of forming a trusted code community, where products or code made would be peer reviewed before being put out into public consumption.

Such products could have stamps such as : Trusted Product, Privacy Guaranteed, Code Safe, Does not lag the sim, Would not ban you on use.. etc.

Specifically this was to make scripts that caused less lag and was trusted.
Zoe Llewelyn
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Join date: 15 Jun 2004
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07-02-2006 10:23
From: Wrom Morrison
I toyed with the idea of forming a trusted code community, where products or code made would be peer reviewed before being put out into public consumption.

Such products could have stamps such as : Trusted Product, Privacy Guaranteed, Code Safe, Does not lag the sim, Would not ban you on use.. etc.

Specifically this was to make scripts that caused less lag and was trusted.


I would love this so long as if us newbie scripting types submitted subpar code, we got back a reason why it was rejected for the Seal of Approval and tips on how to make it better. Just a "You suck!" would...well...suck.
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Wrom Morrison
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07-02-2006 10:30
From: Zoe Llewelyn
I would love this so long as if us newbie scripting types submitted subpar code, we got back a reason why it was rejected for the Seal of Approval and tips on how to make it better. Just a "You suck!" would...well...suck.


The idea is not to deter newbie coders. Yes there could be a Seal for "code safe" scripts, and also there might be one for "Trusted" code.

Lets take for instance a newbie coder who makes a casino game. He is fairly new, his scripts can't be read by his customers and thus they have no idea how fair his game is. He'd send the game code in for review, the review would only check to see if his game is fair or not. If it's fair and has no sneaky code in it he'd get approved. Maybe some sort of cert could be provided that he can use with only that piece of code.

I for one don't trust any of the casino games other than slingo, and when playing slingo, I always check the scripts in the box to make sure it was made by the right dude.
Rotary Fan
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07-02-2006 10:32
From: Ordinal Malaprop
I think that would be an excellent idea. We could have a scripting function that could check...

...oh hold on, wait a second, there's something wrong with that.

It might make providing on-site customer service difficult for the authors of such devices.
Zoe Llewelyn
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07-02-2006 10:37
From: Wrom Morrison
The idea is not to deter newbie coders. Yes there could be a Seal for "code safe" scripts, and also there might be one for "Trusted" code.

Lets take for instance a newbie coder who makes a casino game. He is fairly new, his scripts can't be read by his customers and thus they have no idea how fair his game is. He'd send the game code in for review, the review would only check to see if his game is fair or not. If it's fair and has no sneaky code in it he'd get approved. Maybe some sort of cert could be provided that he can use with only that piece of code.

I for one don't trust any of the casino games other than slingo, and when playing slingo, I always check the scripts in the box to make sure it was made by the right dude.


I think that is a wonderful idea in theory and would love to see something like it enacted if the details can be worked out.

I was in no way criticizing the idea, but rather agreeing with it. I merely added that I would also like to see some suggestions or tips for newer coders on how to make our scripts better if they aren't up to snuff when submitted, rather than a "Sorrow we can't approve your script as it causes excessive lag". Umm...but how does it cause lag? What did I do wrong?

As a new coder that is learning as I go I am sure I make a zillion poor coding mistakes. I use functions in ways that could be done better in another manner, tec. But I don't realize what I don't realize, if you see what I mean.

A tip saying, "You used X function here in so and so manner when it would cause less lag if you used y function in another manner as such..." could be amazingly invaluable learning tools for us new coders and also keep a potentially laggy script off the market as I can now fix it based on the feedback.

Anyway. Great idea...I would love to see a Scripter's Seal Of Approval someday.
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Quarrel Kukulcan
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07-02-2006 10:56
From: Rotary Fan
Free accounts will mean more scripters, I'm sure of it.

Here's the bad part: more paid accounts would mean more scripters too!

LL! Please disable new premium signups immediately!!!
Rotary Fan
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Join date: 23 Jun 2006
Posts: 190
07-02-2006 11:06
From: Quarrel Kukulcan
Here's the bad part: more paid accounts would mean more scripters too!

LL! Please disable new premium signups immediately!!!

Darn right. Get rid of the signup page altogether. Users are the source of all evil.

Club owners might benefit from a "Good Dancer - Two Left Feet" status field. This could be tied in with a scriptable avatar mesh to cause bad dancers to actually have two left feet.

HEY! I just had an idea for another status field: number of posts in forums. Ban people who have posted in the forums too much, or not enough.

That makes me think of another thread to start: "Free Accounts Means More Threads!!!!"
Yiffy Yaffle
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Join date: 22 Oct 2004
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07-03-2006 04:37
More Scripters meen more scripters that will be taken advantage of for their scripting ability, and won't get any free time to work on their own projects. :) *giggles*
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CJ Carnot
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07-03-2006 06:09
From: Vic Wendt
It also means that people like me, professional developers who are interested in this sort of thing, this universe and its potential, get the chance to have a look-see and a play without having to spend cold hard cash.

yes you'll get some nubs.
yes you'll get some griefers.
yes you're get some people who will push the boundaries on the good and bad sides

but you'll also get new talent who otherwise wouldn't be bothered/couldn't afford it.

change is inevitable, in an online world only more so, evolve or become a dinosaur.


You're kidding aren't you ? Why don't you heed your own advice if you're a professional developer and change yourself ? We're already here, we changed our focus before you even knew about the place so telling us our world has to change for your benefit rings a little hollow to me.

When there were no free accounts the sign up fee was pretty minimal considering the potential opportunities for forward thinking developers. I personally like subscription fees. In my opinion they deter griefers. If it deters you that's your loss not mine, there are plenty more with the vision to try it out, even for a nominal cost.
Vic Wendt
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Join date: 21 Jun 2006
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07-03-2006 07:51
From: CJ Carnot
You're kidding aren't you ? Why don't you heed your own advice if you're a professional developer and change yourself ? We're already here, we changed our focus before you even knew about the place so telling us our world has to change for your benefit rings a little hollow to me.


I'm not telling you to change for my benefit, I'm telling you that if you don't change along with your virtual world, you'll get left behind.

I'm new here, so I'm having to change myself to adapt to SL, I'm having to learn and stretch myself, I'm pushing my boundaries, are you?
Osprey Therian
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07-03-2006 09:18
From: Vic Wendt
I'm not telling you to change for my benefit, I'm telling you that if you don't change along with your virtual world, you'll get left behind.


Welcome to Second Life, Vic. I think it's true in SL as in RL that if you make such obvious statements as this it's just going to irritate people.
Aodhan McDunnough
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07-03-2006 11:19
From: Osprey Therian
Welcome to Second Life, Vic. I think it's true in SL as in RL that if you make such obvious statements as this it's just going to irritate people.


And there's almost nothing we can say that won't irritate someone.
Rotary Fan
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07-03-2006 11:43
From: Aodhan McDunnough
And there's almost nothing we can say that won't irritate someone.

That sort of comment really gets my goat.
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