Communist Buzzkill: LL Nixes Developer Incentives
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Jamie Bergman
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12-21-2005 12:58
Kudos to Philip Linden and Linden Labs for ending one of the most entrenched forms of socialism in the Second Life experience: Developer's Incentives.
Social welfare programs have always been abused by the constituents they are meant to serve. Rampant abuse of DI emerged lock and step with its introduction and now the drunken socialist feast is finally over.
Power to the Consumers, Power to Capitalism, and most importantly Power to the Players!
Capitalists gridwide thank you, LL. Keep up the great work!
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12-21-2005 13:03
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12-21-2005 13:16
Come on, alleged alt of mine, you have to admit, Communist Buzzkill is more fun 
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Charissa Metropolitan
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12-21-2005 13:41
After reading all of the threads I can find and then talking with my friends, I decided that ending Developer Incentive is very likely the best way possible to insure mediocrity for the masses of Second Life. One of my friends says this will remove what little real incentive to create exists (outside the strictly business-cash out efforts that continue to flourish). Upon contemplation, I think that may be the actual goal. What better way to make sure the only people making things are those looking to conduct business here than to strip away all support for any other type of motivation? I wish the owners here would give as much support to the 'liberal arts' community in Second Life as they do to competitive business ventures. Blergh. I see now that what my friends say about these forums is true... it's like a giant black hole that, once you get close to it, you just can't escape. 
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Siggy Romulus
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12-21-2005 13:43
From: Jamie Bergman Social welfare programs have always been abused by the constituents they are meant to serve.!
Indeed they have - kudos to you for showing those free content makers the error of their ways!
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Kazuo Murakami
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12-21-2005 13:44
Glad you could take time off from your busy schedule of copyright infringement and outright theft to post some complete nonsensical crap. 
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Ingrid Ingersoll
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12-21-2005 13:45
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Burke Prefect
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12-21-2005 13:48
If owning land weren't such a complete bitch for someone not trying to make a profit, more people would create.
As for dev incentives, maybe this'll help lower the spam ratio in events a tad.
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Jake Reitveld
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12-21-2005 14:08
I always love the Ayn Randian objectivist slavery to capitalism that ferments in online computer games. LOL SL I suppose is an extension of politics. Of course its interesting to see teh advocates of a free market economy argue thier point, since laissez-faire capitalism wasa bit of a dismal failure IRL.
But yes Communistbuzzkill hasome snap to it. lol
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Enabran Templar
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12-21-2005 14:14
From: Kazuo Murakami Glad you could take time off from your busy schedule of copyright infringement and outright theft to post some complete nonsensical crap.  qft
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12-21-2005 14:52
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Ricky Zamboni
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12-21-2005 14:54
From: Jamie Bergman Kudos to Philip Linden and Linden Labs for ending one of the most entrenched forms of socialism in the Second Life experience: Developer's Incentives.
Social welfare programs have always been abused by the constituents they are meant to serve. Rampant abuse of DI emerged lock and step with its introduction and now the drunken socialist feast is finally over.
Power to the Consumers, Power to Capitalism, and most importantly Power to the Players!
Capitalists gridwide thank you, LL. Keep up the great work! DI was not social welfare -- it was pay-for-performance. LL is now trying to survive on "donated" builds, rather than having to pay for their users' creativity. Talk about trying to get a free ride!
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Jake Reitveld
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12-21-2005 15:07
From: Ricky Zamboni DI was not social welfare -- it was pay-for-performance. LL is now trying to survive on "donated" builds, rather than having to pay for their users' creativity. Talk about trying to get a free ride! This is perceptive and brilliant actually. LL creats a game, tells the users its a platform, and based on user created content, for which LL pays nothing, they get more people to come in world and pay tier for land and create more content to draw more users in. In the meantime they scale back the money they reinvest in the platform by was of DI and the users applaud them for being pro-capitalist. This is brilliant marketing since LL creatsa product for which I am a customer, and expect something in return for the forty eight bucks a month I pay.
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Dianne Mechanique
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12-21-2005 15:07
From: Jamie Bergman Kudos to Philip Linden and Linden Labs for ending one of the most entrenched forms of socialism in the Second Life experience: Developer's Incentives.
Social welfare programs have always been abused by the constituents they are meant to serve. Rampant abuse of DI emerged lock and step with its introduction and now the drunken socialist feast is finally over.
Power to the Consumers, Power to Capitalism, and most importantly Power to the Players!
Capitalists gridwide thank you, LL. Keep up the great work! Since this will result in less creativity and less content being created, this would only be good news if you were a content thief IMO. The people that live off of other peoples ideas might rejoice, but why would any decent citizen be happy about this?
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Jake Reitveld
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12-21-2005 15:08
who is a content theif and why are threads full of refernces to this? did i miss something?
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Dianne Mechanique
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12-21-2005 15:12
From: Jake Reitveld who is a content theif and why are threads full of refernces to this? did i miss something? Well if there was a content thief we sure would not be allowed to point him out so your out of luck there.
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Beau Perkins
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12-21-2005 15:13
I really cant make up my own mind on this topic to have an opinion either way. I do find it funny that many of the same people pissed about money chairs just a few days ago are angry with this decision,.
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Jake Reitveld
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12-21-2005 15:17
From: Dianne Mechanique Well if there was a content thief we sure would not be allowed to point him out so your out of luck there. that what im's are for us po dumb folk who don't get the jokes.
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Hox Hauptmann
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12-21-2005 15:39
Ok.. There's something I don't understand.
I read that people are saying that LL is ditching the DI's because it means that people will need to buy money instead of being given it in incentives and by the trickle down to camping chairs. LL will then make more money off of commision of $Linden sales (especially since $Linden price will likely increase).
So this is a step that is done to affectively increase revenue for Linden Labs...
So say that on average in the future Linden sales increase by $80,000US a day (unlikely). That's $2400 per day revenue @ 3% commision.
OK.. But how much is LL going to lose in income from people reducing their Tier tremendously because they can no longer sustain the land due to lack of DI incentive?
If LL lost 500 sims worth of Tier because of this (which could easily be the case?). They would be losing a minimum of $200 x 500 = US$100,000 per month in Tier payments. That's equivalent to $3000 per day. That far outweighs any increase in $Linden Sales Commision.
So.. If LL is losing money, why are they doing this? Do they have something else planned to keep people paying tier?
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12-21-2005 15:39
Communist Buzzkill would make a great punk band name.
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12-21-2005 16:51
From: Ricky Zamboni DI was not social welfare -- it was pay-for-performance. LL is now trying to survive on "donated" builds, rather than having to pay for their users' creativity. Talk about trying to get a free ride! Bingo!
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12-21-2005 16:54
From: Beau Perkins I really cant make up my own mind on this topic to have an opinion either way. I do find it funny that many of the same people pissed about money chairs just a few days ago are angry with this decision,. Err, speaking as one of the people who was pissed at Money Chairs... one reason was because I expected this kind of overreaction from Linden Labs. Which is why I have been pushing for a more rational dwell calculation for some time...
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Huns Valen
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12-21-2005 17:21
From: Dianne Mechanique Well if there was a content thief we sure would not be allowed to point him out so your out of luck there. It isn't a "him"! Also I think "swindler" is possibly a better description than "content thief."
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Siggy Romulus
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12-21-2005 17:28
From: Jake Reitveld that what im's are for us po dumb folk who don't get the jokes. The creator of this thread... There talk about skirting - I didn't name a name - merely pointed a finger 
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Issarlk Chatnoir
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12-22-2005 03:26
From: Charissa Metropolitan One of my friends says this will remove what little real incentive to create exists (outside the strictly business-cash out efforts that continue to flourish).
The incentive to create is to create. If your friend wants to create only for the money then she's just doing business, isn't she? People will create, no matter what ; others will build businesses, just like they alway did. I doubt that people who relied on DI to fund their creation cannot do without it, because that means they are _greatly talented_ to begin with and can probably find the money elsewhere (visitor donations for example?)
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