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Wristwatches for extras: the next SL economy?

Argent Stonecutter
Emergency Mustelid
Join date: 20 Sep 2005
Posts: 20,263
12-07-2005 16:23
From: Csven Concord
I've gathered name/age/location/occupation/education on an "anonymous" poster on an unregistered forum with nothing more than a few non-revealing posts, an educated guess, and a single, carefully-worded email.
I didn't post the cartoon to be sarcastic, I was posting the cartoon because that's all the comment I made, the one you went off about anonymity over, was just a joke. If you go dancing in a hot chick AV that you're not "entitled to" because you're short and overweight, or you're going dancing in a hot surfer-hunk body instead of the 200 lb geek you "really" are, nobody's going to chase you down and "out" you because you're really a dog. Even if you're really a dog.

What the hell did you THINK I was talking about? Is "dancing" some code word for "hooking your body" now?
From: someone
And some (like myself) will use "no mod" because we know the old "dog" theory doesn't work in practice. Starting over may not really be an option.
I'm kind of boggled by this. I mean, you know that in real life I can buy a shirt and dye it a different color, or let it out so it's loose instead of tight, or just buy one that's the wrong size and keep wearing it out of sheer bloody-mindedness. That's all you can do with "mod" clothes, and it's not even as effective as that because just wearing it in a different light can give it a 'sickly tint'... because SL's lighting model is so messed up nobody's going to know whether that's what it was supposed to look like or not. I honestly can't imagine what I could do with one copy of an outfit that would "hurt your reputation". Certainly not enough that you need to worry about needing anonymity to get away from the horror of someone tinting.

From: someone
There are few - if any - RL examples of this occurring.
No, and I wouldn't expect any. Are there actually cases of people buying clothes and wearing them funny to degrade the competition... cases SO bad someone wanted to change their name to get away from it?
Argent Stonecutter
Emergency Mustelid
Join date: 20 Sep 2005
Posts: 20,263
12-07-2005 16:24
From: Jake Reitveld
So yes we want others to particpate in our shared dream, but we want to know its because our dream interests them, and not because we pay them.
Thank you, that's nicely put.
Yumi Murakami
DoIt!AttachTheEarOfACat!
Join date: 27 Sep 2005
Posts: 6,860
12-07-2005 16:29
From: Argent Stonecutter
1. You're still taking advertising seriously.


I'm taking that statement as a goal that SL would be building towards.

From: someone
3. If someone REALLY wants slaves, they can go to the Gorean sims.


Who wants slaves? They just want people who'll go to and try out new places without needing to have them heavily marketed, in exchange for a bit of extra money.
Csven Concord
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Join date: 19 Mar 2005
Posts: 1,015
12-07-2005 20:05
Since you seem to be confused, Argent, and "Lost" is a repeat, allow me to recap. We'll start with Yumi Murakami's comment:
From: Yumi Murakam
And I'll hazard a prediction that soon it will be the case that paying people to enable your dream by participating in it will become as natural as paying to wear a red shirt.

While I didn't see this as having anything to do with "No Mod" clothing, apparently you did. So you quoted it and then replied with the following quasi-rant {emphasis mine}:
From: Argent Stonecutter
What's natural about paying to wear a red shirt in SL? The first time I bought a shirt and found it was no-mod I went crook. I'll never pay a penny for clothes I can't fit and tint, and I'll never go back to a store run by someone so full of themselves that they think I should be glad to buy the same texture twice with a different color layer applied each time.

You didn't stop there. After both Yumi and Ben made good comments, you continue:
From: Argent Stonecutter
But I'm talking about clothes that are "no mod". I can't even *try* tinting them slightly, let alone wearing them loose because skin-tight shirts just plain look uncomfortable. Because of the 'artistic integrity' of the creator.

Certainly doesn't sound to me like "artistic integrity" is being used politely. Personally, I'd buy "Mod" items if that was important to me. But I'd also not disparage those who create "No Mod" content; they have the right to do as they see fit and not be on the receiving end of petty sarcasm. The market can do all the talking afaic.

Need more sarcasm and insult, here we go:
From: Argent Stonecutter
Doesn't matter if they HAD to be skin tight or there was some magic ingredient in the color I shouldn't change, that's the way they HAD to be. For all I know (since I only bought the one shirt, and the only way to see what they look like is to try them on, which means buying them) the magic ingredient was the setting of the tint dials.

When I see all caps as used here and words like "magic ingredient", I most definitely get a sense of the tone being expressed. It's not evidence to me of your being congenial.

Now just prior to those last comments you added this (part of the real original topic):
From: Argent Stonecutter
And some people dream of dancing who can't dance in RL, or who dream of being a beautiful babe dancing when they're really short and dumpy. Remember, on the Internet nobody knows you're really a dog.

I took this to mean that the person behind the avatar is unknown and they can be whoever or whatever they want to be and do or say anything without concern that anyone will ever discern their identity. Correct me if I'm mistaken. I then responded to both this comment - which I consider to be only partially correct - and the off-topic comments. First paragraph:
From: someone
As social applications become more prevalent, quite the opposite is now occurring. If you're a dog, the whole world will find out. Which then leads to issues of Reputation.

I'm responding to the concept of internet anonymity that you're reinforcing here because it indicates to me that this belief would lead someone who would say this to not consider other issues regarding Reputation. I'm saying that if people aren't 100% anonymous all the time (and they aren't), they need to consider issues of non-anonymity and, by extension, their Reputation (both in SL and beyond). This relates directly to your off-topic rant on "No Mod" content. Here's the second paragraph on that:
From: someone
Hence, do not confuse so-called 'artistic integrity' with the desire to maintain one's reputation. Someone could mod an originally well-made item and turn it to crap. In fact, it would be one way to grief competition: mod it ugly, then go "advertise" it.

So actually, you needlessly split the topic and all I did was attempt to partially rejoin it.

Now, your response to my pointing out that being on the internet was no guarantee of anonymity was this:
From: Argent Stonecutter
What, by the pawprints on the keyboard?

Please explain to me how that isn't a sarcastic reply.

Continuing with your response, you then demonstrated you didn't follow my logic by virtue of this comment:
From: Argent Stonecutter
Um, I wasn't. You've taken two completely unrelated comments and run them together.

While I grant you probably weren't confused (because I think you knew you were disparaging content creators who attempted to have some control over their work), I've already shown how the two are related. I won't bother with the last portion of your comment equating simple tint control with creating new copycat content.

Now, finally, on to your latest response:
From: Argent Stonecutter
I didn't post the cartoon to be sarcastic,...


I didn't say you posted the cartoon to be sarcastic. I said "and, btw, there was no need to post a link to emphasize your sarcasm, we remembered just like you asked us to". The comment is sarcastic. The link to the cartoon is, as far as I'm concerned, either emphasis for the sarcasm or a demonstration of your l33t search skills or maybe a demonstration of the wondrous trivia locked inside your mind (or something like that) - at least these are the options I came up with.
From: Argent Stonecutter
I was posting the cartoon because that's all the comment I made, the one you went off about anonymity over, was just a joke.

Which part is the joke? The cartoon? Or your comment? Cartoons in "The New Yorker" aren't usually lacking in deeper meaning (which would of course explain it's importance in the history of the internet). Either way it doesn't matter. I'm pointing at the very real belief many people have that their actions online will not become connected to their real life identities; a mistaken belief in my opinion. And I'm using that only to respond to your other comments on "No Mod" - "the one you went off about".
From: Argent Stonecutter
I'm kind of boggled by this. I mean, you know that in real life I can buy a shirt and dye it a different color, or let it out so it's loose instead of tight, or just buy one that's the wrong size and keep wearing it out of sheer bloody-mindedness. That's all you can do with "mod" clothes, and it's not even as effective as that because just wearing it in a different light can give it a 'sickly tint'... because SL's lighting model is so messed up nobody's going to know whether that's what it was supposed to look like or not. I honestly can't imagine what I could do with one copy of an outfit that would "hurt your reputation". Certainly not enough that you need to worry about needing anonymity to get away from the horror of someone tinting.

Yes. I know. However, there are limits. For example, IRL if you bought a tight-fitting article, you could only take it out so much; there's rarely much excess material. You'll not find people IRL casually letting out their straight-leg jeans to get superwide bells; if they added material (a likely necessity) the modification would be obvious - not so in SL. No one would know that the item had been modified. And with regard to tinting, there may be times when the texture has details that are rendered invisible when a range of tints are applied; thus degrading the overall design (and sometimes unbeknownst to the person modding the item who may be at operating at low graphics settings). Again, while this could be done with a real shirt, the addition of a dye would in some cases cause the two colors to become darker (when mixing RGB video color, the more that's mixed the more "White" the result; whereas IRL mixing colors adds in grey until it goes to "Black";). Additionally, there's rarely an issue of people IRL operating on widely different graphics settings; even with varying levels of visual acuity, people have ways to manually compensate.
From: Argent Stonecutter
No, and I wouldn't expect any. Are there actually cases of people buying clothes and wearing them funny to degrade the competition... cases SO bad someone wanted to change their name to get away from it?

"Wearing" clothes funny detracts from the wearer, not the article.
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