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AJ DaSilva

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12-07-2005 18:18

Lookies! They've added refraction to the water!

Can I get a woot?

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12-07-2005 18:23

Woot!

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12-07-2005 18:24

Very cool! I hope I will be able to see it. I don't get to see shiny.

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12-07-2005 18:29

From: Cocoanut Koala

Very cool! I hope I will be able to see it. I don't get to see shiny.

coco

You can't get shiny?!?

I'm afraid it's unlikely you'll get this in that case, 'tis what they call a pixel shader effect.

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12-07-2005 18:29

From: AJ DaSilva

You can't get shiny?!?

I'm afraid it's unlikely you'll get this in that case, 'tis what they call a pixel shader effect.

I don't get shiny, having only 256mb of ram, but I see this..

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AJ DaSilva

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12-07-2005 18:35

From: Zapoteth Zaius

I don't get shiny, having only 256mb of ram, but I see this..

Now that's something I didn't know about. I wonder why shiny needs so much memory?

...

Damnit. Must. Go. To. Bed. Damned forums...

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12-07-2005 18:44

Lol, theres a way to disable it, I never used it a whole lot so I haven't bothered as of yet, and I'm getting more ram anyway.. But from people who have disabled the disabling of it it doesn't make that much difference.. There are some things they disable for users with 256mb of ram or less..

Pictures of ripple included, I hope.. Damnit, can't upload, still..

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12-07-2005 19:08

HOLY PH***

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12-07-2005 19:13

From: Torley Torgeson

HOLY PH***

Ok! Seeing that made me want to post my ripple pics more, even if it means uploading them to webspace

Probs big so I'll hyper link them..

Sun Ripple
Moon Ripple

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12-07-2005 19:16

From: Zapoteth Zaius

Ok! Seeing that made me want to post my ripple pics more, even if it means uploading them to webspace

Probs big so I'll hyper link them..

Sun Ripple
Moon Ripple

Is that ingame?

Holy Ph*** indeed....

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12-07-2005 19:17

Hehe just taken in preview.. I don't know if it changes with graphics cards.. But I love it

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12-07-2005 19:38

Wonder if they fixed what was causing it to kill my frame rate like Local Lighting. Well.. one way to find out!

Bond Harrington

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12-07-2005 19:55

Doesn't it look lovely? I'm rather impressed by how well it looks.

However, I will say that it absolutely kills my graphics card. When I first logged into the preview grid, I got 5-9fps with the ripples on, but 25-30fps with the ripples off. I'm hoping that there's a detail option for the ripples, as I think the more detail shader causes my card to lag like that.

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12-07-2005 19:58

From: Bond Harrington

Doesn't it look lovely? I'm rather impressed by how well it looks.

However, I will say that it absolutely kills my graphics card. When I first logged into the preview grid, I got 5-9fps with the ripples on, but 25-30fps with the ripples off. I'm hoping that there's a detail option for the ripples, as I think the more detail shader causes my card to lag like that.

My frame rate drops from like 12 to 5.5 when I look at the water with ripples on. I find it odd though that our framerates are the same when looking at the water ripples even though it sounds like your setup is much better then mine if you get 25 - 30fps.

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12-07-2005 20:09

time to get that video card I've wanted for xmas!

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12-07-2005 20:20

Very weird about framerate, im sat in ahern's pool on a jetski just playing lolol, with ripple on im getting 24.5fps with it off i get 35fps, yes thats a 10fps drop but this is only on an ati 9700 mobility, when i try it on my geforce 6800gt i dont see any framerate change at all

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12-07-2005 20:20

From: Soleil Mirabeau

time to get that video card I've wanted for xmas!

Yeah and RAM. Looking to toss in another gig and a shiny new GeForce 6800GT 256mb AGP (and a powersupply to back it up, my old 350watt can't handle that kind of load).

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12-07-2005 20:35

That's so gorgeous.

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12-07-2005 22:05

From: Zapoteth Zaius

I don't get shiny, having only 256mb of ram, but I see this..

Oh good!

coco

Edited to add: Having read now that it slows people down, sounds like something I will look at once and freeze up on. But - I will be able to look at it once!

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12-07-2005 22:34

what card does a mac need to see this!!!!

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12-07-2005 22:56

Edit: NVM

That's what I get for not getting more sleep and trying to read through the forums.

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12-07-2005 23:03

From: Hiro Pendragon

Not to say that I don't love rippple, which I do ...

but that's not a reflection. That's the lower 3/4 of the cube underwater.

Thank you for that stunning insight - but notice the original poster said refraction - notice the side of the cube.

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12-07-2005 23:16

From: Blueman Steele

what card does a mac need to see this!!!!

Here are some Mac comparisons:

Daytime - Mac G5 Dual 2.5 with an ATI Radeon 9600 XT (128 megs VRAM)

Daytime - Mac G4 12" PowerBook 867 Mhz with an nVidia GeForce4 MX (32 megs VRAM) Unable to turn ripple wave effect on in Preferences

Nighttime - Mac G5 Dual 2.5 with an ATI Radeon 9600 XT (128 megs VRAM)

Nighttime - Mac G4 12" PowerBook 867 Mhz with an nVidia GeForce4 MX (32 megs VRAM) Unable to turn ripple wave effect on in Preferences

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12-07-2005 23:43

From: Salazar Jack

I took these pictures on a Mac G5 Dual 2.5 with an ATI Radeon 9600 XT (128 megs VRAM).

Nighttime

I noticed this night-time difference myself - that it acts much more realistically at night, being much dimmer, with that really gorgeous glimmer.

I love it. I was testing framerate with it on/off, and didn't notice any difference - perhaps a half a frame per second at worst when looking at a lot of wter.

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12-08-2005 01:47

It definitely is an understatement! I am stunned at how gorgeous the effect is now. I saw it the other day in the first preview build, and it was nice, but reminded me a bit of a lava lamp. Now, the effect is practically photorealistic on my video card (Geforce 7800). Great job on the effect!

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1.8.0(3): "Fixed various ripple water issues" - understatement
AJ DaSilva woz ere Join date: 15 Jun 2005 Posts: 1,993	12-07-2005 18:18 Lookies! They've added refraction to the water! Can I get a woot? _____________________
Frans Charming You only need one Frans Join date: 28 Jan 2005 Posts: 1,847	12-07-2005 18:23 Woot! _____________________
Cocoanut Koala Coco's Cottages Join date: 7 Feb 2005 Posts: 7,903	12-07-2005 18:24 Very cool! I hope I will be able to see it. I don't get to see shiny. coco _____________________ VALENTINE BOUTIQUE at Coco's Cottages http://slurl.com/secondlife/Rosieri/85/166/87
AJ DaSilva woz ere Join date: 15 Jun 2005 Posts: 1,993	12-07-2005 18:29 From: Cocoanut Koala Very cool! I hope I will be able to see it. I don't get to see shiny. coco You can't get shiny?!? I'm afraid it's unlikely you'll get this in that case, 'tis what they call a pixel shader effect. _____________________
Zapoteth Zaius Is back Join date: 14 Feb 2004 Posts: 5,634	12-07-2005 18:29 From: AJ DaSilva You can't get shiny?!? I'm afraid it's unlikely you'll get this in that case, 'tis what they call a pixel shader effect. I don't get shiny, having only 256mb of ram, but I see this.. _____________________ I have the right to remain silent. Anything I say will be misquoted and used against me. --------------- Zapoteth Designs, Temotu (100,50) ---------------
AJ DaSilva woz ere Join date: 15 Jun 2005 Posts: 1,993	12-07-2005 18:35 From: Zapoteth Zaius I don't get shiny, having only 256mb of ram, but I see this.. Now that's something I didn't know about. I wonder why shiny needs so much memory? ... Damnit. Must. Go. To. Bed. Damned forums... _____________________
Zapoteth Zaius Is back Join date: 14 Feb 2004 Posts: 5,634	12-07-2005 18:44 Lol, theres a way to disable it, I never used it a whole lot so I haven't bothered as of yet, and I'm getting more ram anyway.. But from people who have disabled the disabling of it it doesn't make that much difference.. There are some things they disable for users with 256mb of ram or less.. Pictures of ripple included, I hope.. Damnit, can't upload, still.. _____________________ I have the right to remain silent. Anything I say will be misquoted and used against me. --------------- Zapoteth Designs, Temotu (100,50) ---------------
Torley Linden Enlightenment! Join date: 15 Sep 2004 Posts: 16,530	12-07-2005 19:08 HOLY PH*** _____________________
Zapoteth Zaius Is back Join date: 14 Feb 2004 Posts: 5,634	12-07-2005 19:13 From: Torley Torgeson HOLY PH* Ok! Seeing that made me want to post my ripple pics more, even if it means uploading them to webspace Probs big so I'll hyper link them.. Sun Ripple Moon Ripple _____________________ I have the right to remain silent. Anything I say will be misquoted and used against me.** --------------- Zapoteth Designs, Temotu (100,50) ---------------
Lianne Marten Cheese Baron Join date: 6 May 2004 Posts: 2,192	12-07-2005 19:16 From: Zapoteth Zaius Ok! Seeing that made me want to post my ripple pics more, even if it means uploading them to webspace Probs big so I'll hyper link them.. Sun Ripple Moon Ripple Is that ingame? Holy Ph*** indeed.... _____________________
Zapoteth Zaius Is back Join date: 14 Feb 2004 Posts: 5,634	12-07-2005 19:17 Hehe just taken in preview.. I don't know if it changes with graphics cards.. But I love it _____________________ I have the right to remain silent. Anything I say will be misquoted and used against me. --------------- Zapoteth Designs, Temotu (100,50) ---------------
Ron Overdrive Registered User Join date: 10 Jul 2005 Posts: 1,002	12-07-2005 19:38 Wonder if they fixed what was causing it to kill my frame rate like Local Lighting. Well.. one way to find out!
Bond Harrington Kills Threads At 500yds Join date: 15 May 2005 Posts: 198	12-07-2005 19:55 Doesn't it look lovely? I'm rather impressed by how well it looks. However, I will say that it absolutely kills my graphics card. When I first logged into the preview grid, I got 5-9fps with the ripples on, but 25-30fps with the ripples off. I'm hoping that there's a detail option for the ripples, as I think the more detail shader causes my card to lag like that.
Ron Overdrive Registered User Join date: 10 Jul 2005 Posts: 1,002	12-07-2005 19:58 From: Bond Harrington Doesn't it look lovely? I'm rather impressed by how well it looks. However, I will say that it absolutely kills my graphics card. When I first logged into the preview grid, I got 5-9fps with the ripples on, but 25-30fps with the ripples off. I'm hoping that there's a detail option for the ripples, as I think the more detail shader causes my card to lag like that. My frame rate drops from like 12 to 5.5 when I look at the water with ripples on. I find it odd though that our framerates are the same when looking at the water ripples even though it sounds like your setup is much better then mine if you get 25 - 30fps.
Soleil Mirabeau eh? Join date: 6 Oct 2005 Posts: 995	12-07-2005 20:09 time to get that video card I've wanted for xmas!
Nathan Stewart Registered User Join date: 2 Feb 2005 Posts: 1,039	12-07-2005 20:20 Very weird about framerate, im sat in ahern's pool on a jetski just playing lolol, with ripple on im getting 24.5fps with it off i get 35fps, yes thats a 10fps drop but this is only on an ati 9700 mobility, when i try it on my geforce 6800gt i dont see any framerate change at all _____________________
Ron Overdrive Registered User Join date: 10 Jul 2005 Posts: 1,002	12-07-2005 20:20 From: Soleil Mirabeau time to get that video card I've wanted for xmas! Yeah and RAM. Looking to toss in another gig and a shiny new GeForce 6800GT 256mb AGP (and a powersupply to back it up, my old 350watt can't handle that kind of load).
Enabran Templar Capitalist Pig Join date: 26 Aug 2004 Posts: 4,506	12-07-2005 20:35 That's so gorgeous. _____________________ From: Hiro Pendragon Furthermore, as Second Life goes to the Metaverse, and this becomes an open platform, Linden Lab risks lawsuit in court and [attachment culling] will, I repeat WILL be reverse in court. Second Life Forums: Who needs Reason when you can use bold tags?
Cocoanut Koala Coco's Cottages Join date: 7 Feb 2005 Posts: 7,903	12-07-2005 22:05 From: Zapoteth Zaius I don't get shiny, having only 256mb of ram, but I see this.. Oh good! coco Edited to add: Having read now that it slows people down, sounds like something I will look at once and freeze up on. But - I will be able to look at it once! _____________________ VALENTINE BOUTIQUE at Coco's Cottages http://slurl.com/secondlife/Rosieri/85/166/87
Blueman Steele Registered User Join date: 28 Dec 2004 Posts: 1,038	12-07-2005 22:34 what card does a mac need to see this!!!!
Hiro Pendragon bye bye f0rums! Join date: 22 Jan 2004 Posts: 5,905	12-07-2005 22:56 Edit: NVM That's what I get for not getting more sleep and trying to read through the forums. _____________________ Hiro Pendragon ------------------ http://www.involve3d.com - Involve - Metaverse / Emerging Media Studio Visit my SL blog: http://secondtense.blogspot.com
Cristiano Midnight Evil Snapshot Baron Join date: 17 May 2003 Posts: 8,616	12-07-2005 23:03 From: Hiro Pendragon Not to say that I don't love rippple, which I do ... but that's not a reflection. That's the lower 3/4 of the cube underwater. Thank you for that stunning insight - but notice the original poster said refraction - notice the side of the cube. _____________________ Cristiano ANOmations - huge selection of high quality, low priced animations all $100L or less. ~SLUniverse.com~ SL's oldest and largest community site, featuring Snapzilla image sharing, forums, and much more.
Salazar Jack Nova Albion native Join date: 12 Feb 2004 Posts: 1,105	12-07-2005 23:16 From: Blueman Steele what card does a mac need to see this!!!! Here are some Mac comparisons: Daytime - Mac G5 Dual 2.5 with an ATI Radeon 9600 XT (128 megs VRAM) Daytime - Mac G4 12" PowerBook 867 Mhz with an nVidia GeForce4 MX (32 megs VRAM) Unable to turn ripple wave effect on in Preferences Nighttime - Mac G5 Dual 2.5 with an ATI Radeon 9600 XT (128 megs VRAM) Nighttime - Mac G4 12" PowerBook 867 Mhz with an nVidia GeForce4 MX (32 megs VRAM) Unable to turn ripple wave effect on in Preferences _____________________ kahruvel.com - Onward & Upward!
Hiro Pendragon bye bye f0rums! Join date: 22 Jan 2004 Posts: 5,905	12-07-2005 23:43 From: Salazar Jack I took these pictures on a Mac G5 Dual 2.5 with an ATI Radeon 9600 XT (128 megs VRAM). Nighttime I noticed this night-time difference myself - that it acts much more realistically at night, being much dimmer, with that really gorgeous glimmer. I love it. I was testing framerate with it on/off, and didn't notice any difference - perhaps a half a frame per second at worst when looking at a lot of wter. _____________________ Hiro Pendragon ------------------ http://www.involve3d.com - Involve - Metaverse / Emerging Media Studio Visit my SL blog: http://secondtense.blogspot.com
Cristiano Midnight Evil Snapshot Baron Join date: 17 May 2003 Posts: 8,616	12-08-2005 01:47 It definitely is an understatement! I am stunned at how gorgeous the effect is now. I saw it the other day in the first preview build, and it was nice, but reminded me a bit of a lava lamp. Now, the effect is practically photorealistic on my video card (Geforce 7800). Great job on the effect! _____________________ Cristiano ANOmations - huge selection of high quality, low priced animations all $100L or less. ~SLUniverse.com~ SL's oldest and largest community site, featuring Snapzilla image sharing, forums, and much more.

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