Unacknowledged Prop 1505 continues to triumph over acknowledged prop 1503!

Proposal 1505, the "No Registration Verification" proposal, supporting the status quo in regards to having instantly attainable unverified accounts in unlimited quantity, seems to have won out over the much more popular prop 1503, despite prop 1503 having far more votes and getting itself acknowledged.

I am rather confused, if there are so so many alternate accounts being used by troublemakers, why aren't more of these troublemakers voting for proposal 1505? Do they just not read the forums?

Nice alt. How many have you created to support your proposal?

Don't know how many alts the original poster has, but I put all my 10 votes into it the other day, for the record.

Having said that I did it in the full knowledge that the voting tool is a complete waste of space anyway - a nice idea, left to rot

The general idea of a means of assessing support by users for user generated is nice enough, in an abstract sort of way.

With the ability for each person to create as many proposals as they want and vote as many times as they want by opening accounts as needed, the voting system is not even a nice idea, it's just a silly waste of time and resources.

Folks who want to grief the voting system can also now make as many proposals as they want that are nearly identical to proposals they oppose, thus diluting the vote for the proposal they oppose. With ten accounts, for example, one could make 99 proposals with identical wording to a proposal one opposes, and one proposal for the idea one wants. The votes of the proposal gamer's opposition will be divided up among a hundred identical proposals, the proposal gamer's sincere proposal will get all of the votes it merits plus the votes of the proposal gamer's accounts.

How long until someone writes an automated script (easy enough, PHP with - or even without - cURL) to create new accounts and automate some sort of "spam equivalent?" Like an auto-grief-the-forums script or a auto-place votes script by choosing a random name?

The right minds can get beyond the "type in this word" image verification.

Regards,

-Flip

Well I'd kind of think you had a point, but as it is the voting system hasn't really been used in any meaningful way since, oh I don't know, about a month or so after it was first put live. So, really, it's not worth the hassle of even thinking about as it means nothing, achieves nothing and doesn't actually make a blind bit of difference to what gets developed and what doesn't. Let people spam, grief (there's a great example of how people use the term 'grief' where it's not really applicable - I've seen quite a bit of that recently), play, dump, wee, whatever on it. It was an experiment that Linden Lab lost interest in almost as soon as it was born.

Just saying.

I was speaking to someone just yesterday who boasted that this would be pretty easy to do. I don't really understand it all, but he seemed pretty confident.

And just what is your point in posting this here? Just to taunt? None of us really think the Lindens will change the registration policy, but it's called "making your voice heard". If our voices get the Lindens to improve anti-griefing tools and group functions so I can ban your sorry ass and your alts faster, then you haven't won after all. Come to think of it, if the flood of griefer alts destroys the atmosphere of SL, you haven't won then, either.

Meanwhile, 1503 is blowing 1505 out of the water just on vote counts. There's the voice of the membership for you.


You don't really understand the problem, do you? We're not against allowing more people into SL. We're against the ease with which dimwits can throw together 20 alts in one night (with NO personal accountability) with which to play hell with established businesses and the enjoyment of other SLers. Those people have no interest in SL beyond their own masturbatory, narcissistic obnoxiousness. They not only won't post here, they don't even care that the forums exist.

That's being a little hard on LL

lmao!

LOL - not hard enough!

lol

coco

I agree entirely with the views expressed in another thread by Prokofy Nadir.

Gee, Cocoanut Coalcliff, I wonder why you agree with everything Prokofy Nadir says.

cough *alt* cough

Dear God I'm hungry. If there's someone here that's not gonna eat all their lunch I'll take what you don't want. I'm saving my lunch money to pay off my loans.

God does not exist! ~Ulrika

Has it occured to anyone that SL has not only jumped the shark, but has actually entered into an entirely different absurdist universe where no SL'er has gone before?

And - not to get too existentialist about it - but does anything really matter here anymore?

Anyone can come into SL, and anyone can do anything in it, and no one can be permantly banned.

Only those of us who have invested in our businesses and/or our reputations will care about the rules, partly because we are the only ones the rules can hurt.

The Lindens are corraling the wagons, taking inside with them those selected residents they like best, in a program irrelevantly titled "Second Life Views."

Technological solutions backfire - someone jacks up the ban lines way high and apparently makes some mistake, making it for everyone rather than just for those on a ban list. No one can fly around and things are worse than they were before.

The forums have gone from a relatively controlled (if facist) place where a hardy group of oldbies happily ruled, overseeing the punishment of dissidents at the slightest peep - to a free-for-all where everybody and everybody's Dog Replacement creates meaningless mayhem for all. Witness this thread, and the counter-proposition.

Griefing and thievery of IP and money are on the increase in SL, and what little LL used to do about it is now completely meaningless.

The Linden left hand apparently never knows what the right hand is doing; heck, the index finger doesn't even know what the ring finger is doing.

The Lindens are busy trying to talk a good line and sound like they are still in control of anything. Actually, I think they have lost control completely. The only thing they are actually in control of, in my opinion, is trying to distance themselves from the whole mess as much as possible.

Last really good thing I saw happen was P2P.

Maybe everything is all absurdist chaos now, but there is one good side to that: If nothing matters, then, well, nothing matters . . . so we can all just relax and stop caring about it.

I also wonder - surely the Lindens realize this is chaos; surely this goes beyond their classic distaste for actually making rule-breaking people behave in any way; and has to do more with . . . some plan we don't know about. There's GOT to be some apparent method to this madness. What is it?

OK, so I'm feeling fairly nihilistic at the moment. I have a tendency to get overwhelmed and do that. But things really do look to me like they are now totally out of hand.

Plus I get really tired of only the good people being the ones LL ever really comes down on. I hate that.

coco

what an absurd thing to say. why are you always so rude to everyone here?

Your post makes no sense, Ingrid.

coco

It makes perfect sense. Probably 90% of the people reading this have never been "come down on" and they're good people despite what you say.

And don't use Siggy as an excuse this time because he's not here.

Anywho... back on topic. (sorry i just couldn't let that one slide)

Oh god does this person ever do anything but complain?

I didn't notice you on topic in the first place.

Anyway, you seem to have missed my point. I was referring to such things as - a griefer shoots you, but you can't shoot back. People steal your stuff, and oh well, too bad. Things which have been the case since I've been here.

And I was pointing out (though you seem to have missed the point entirely), that NO rule is going to have ANY meaning to the bad people now. They will simply come back.

In other words, we now have a system of justice meaningful only for those who choose to abide by it; i.e., the good people. Those who have nothing to lose won't receive any true punishment at all - they will just come back and do it again.

Therefore: The only people who will wind up actually being "punished" by this system of "justice" will be the good ones in the first place,who have actually put the most into SL, as they are the only ones with anything to lose from being banned.

Which is why I say, I get tired of the good people being the only ones LL ever really comes down on.

When there is no disincentive for griefing and stealing, it makes patsys out of the rest of us (i.e., the "good" people).

If YOU shoot back at someone, for instance, you risk losing your name, your reputation, and your business. If someone else griefs you to hell and back, they risk nothing at all now. They just come back and do it again.

coco

Oh god who is this alt?

coco

Philip Linden.

Well that's every true but completely different from what you said originally. LL does not just come down on the good people.

haha!

coco