Meet the Godots! - A discussion on things unfinished.

That will only happen when they realise that they should move LL to Vancouver, then all of us stellar BC players can get jobs as Lindens and truly dominate!

Nah they Should move LL to San Diego, the weather is better. Of course being a Canuks fan, I go to Van more than SF.

They have never fixed the permissions problems with gestures. After 1.4 was released, a quick update removed the ability to put no copy or no transfer animations into gestures, which would be supposedly fixed eventually. No progress was ever made, and this has made gestures fairly useless as you can't sell animations as copyable for obvious reasons. The only alternative is to sell gestures with the animation already in it, but that also defeats the purpose of being able to make your own gestures.

Don't textures have similar problems?

The only thing I can think of is using a no copy texture on a prim used to make the texture disappear into the prim with no ability to recover it. As far as I know now, when you use a no-copy texture, it actually goes into the contents of the prim so that you can remove it (and this also removes the texture from the prim itself). I could be wrong about that, but that is my understanding of it. That is a bit of a different case with gestures. Gestures actually contain the animation themselves, instead of just being a pointer to an animation in the users inventory. I have never understood why putting a no-copy animation into a gesture would not simply make the gesture no copy (or no trans for a no trans animation). Either way, it has really reduced the usefulness of gestures in some ways (though there is still a market for pre-created ones).

This is a very good point re gestures.. I never understood the change to 'full permissions only in gestures'

And you can still drive Jeeps up the side of all of cua Curies buildings

The user interface. Seriously.

It feels rather half-done, especially the inventory management.

Yes, that truely is a confusing one, and there is no explanation for why animations used in gestures must be FULLY permissive.

Also, many quirks in the Gestures window itself. You have to hit Enter after entering a line of chat--it doesn't save otherwise, inconsistent with other text fields in SL.

There were some other problems editing not-fully-permissive attachments being worn... some still exist, e.g. you cannot rename it when it's on your body.

ALSO... an object with multiple actual creators (i.e. scripts by one dude, prims by another) will show up as Creator: (nobody) in inventory, but will show the creator of the parent prim when rezzed. That is also confusing.

ALSO... onthetopicofanimations, when someone activates an animation to try to animate you, it doesn't say WHO is doing it. (Altho a little watermelon birdie said this would be fixed soon.)

So I see a lot of steps. BANG! We've got this, move onto the next...

I mean, hell yeah, remember when inventory search came out? And multiple drag-and-drop? I must say Ripple Water has been a godsend because of how it's effectively a fix for that UGLY SUN REFLECTION OW STOP POKING ME IN THE EYES PROB.

And this is the dilemma of the Godots.

With every whizbang that goes into a new version, they get overlooked and further away until they pass away into obscurity.

I like the whizbangs, and they certainly do improve the look/feel/usability of Secondlife.. but the Whizbang to Godot ratio is askew. It's like a stew - it needs salt and it needs meat - but too much of one and not enough of the other and you have something either bland or unedible.

That's exactly what I say about cupcakes and icing!

Which means that people selling textures for builders can't sell them no-copy or no-trans.
They do? They sure look like they're just a pointer to me. Sure you're not thinking of prims containing animations using llStartAnimation?
No trans could work that way. But a gesture isn't a container, it's more like a script, so you can't "put the animation into the gesture", and making the gesture no-copy wouldn't stop you from making another gesture using the same no-copy animation.

Oh, thank god, someone finally explained that!
I keep turning that on and off... I'd like...

[ ] Ripple water (slower)
     [ ] Ripple water off in dry sims or over 100 meters (faster)

They may be a pointer internally, but then they must be internally referencing the animation by UUID. I can give a gesture to someone that has an animation in it that they do not have in their inventory, and it will play fine. It is different than an animation in a prim, where you have to have the animation in the prim and reference it by name, you can't play something from inventory (they long ago removed the UUID ability from playing animations by script).

One way they could handle the problem of being able to make multiple gestures from a not fully permissive gesture is to make any gesture that uses a no copy or no transfer animation itself no-transfer. That way, it doesn't matter if they make 10 different gestures from the same no-copy animation. They aren't copying it and aren't able to distribute the gestures made from it. It also doesn't prevent the creation of gestures for sale, as you would be using a fully permissible animation in that case anyway.

Ability to assign multiple variations of the same texture to an object and have the prim cover a particular side with a random mix of all the variations in different orientations.

--Think Tile floor or wood floors where the texture is not an infinitely repeating singularity but a multiple set of textures that are assembled onto a Side on the fly.

Troy

The same thing is true of textures where you have the right permissions, you don't need to know the UUID, you can just select the texture from the object editor like you can select the gesture from the gesture editor. The only differences are (1) because a prim CAN hold contents, you can use a no-copy texture in a prim by putting it in there, and (2) you can refer to textures by UUID in scripts in prims... again, because a prim has contents.

You can't put scripts or animations inside gestures, they can only be dealt with as pointers, so the trick of putting the protected object in the prim doesn't work.
that works for no-transfer, but it's surprising for no-copy. You would also need to make the no-copy animation no-copy/no transfer (which violates SL's fair use policy) or else someone could make the gesture and then transfer the *animation* to someone else, who could make a gesture... etc...

And for some reason people prefer to sell animations no-copy, possibly so someone with a club who's making 30 seats has to buy 30 copies of your neat sit animation. I would personally prefer they be no-transfer, so I wouldn't have to re-wear my animation overrider when I change outfits...