Confused about "performance issues"
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Nyx Divine
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02-07-2006 15:52
OK I've always had pretty good success w/ running SL....after initially SERIOUSLY upgrading my 'puter.  But now I'm at a loss, as is my more 'puter literate hubby. Maybe U wise ones of SL can help me. Below are the specs we figured are relevent. Since the last update I have been crashing like a 'mother', tonite I signed in at 4 and and by 4:30 had crashed 4 times....making it IMPOSSIBLE to attend a class I wanted. Nite before last I crashed only once......before that 3 times in one nite, so on and so forth. I'm frustrated because I want to teach soon and certainly can't if this keeps up. Sidenote: Hubby's 'puter has all the same specs except I have better processor and more RAM and I DON'T crash SL on HIS 'puter. And he says WoW runs much better for him on MINE....wtf. Any ideas? I'm dying here. MoBo: K8Upgrade-VM800 Processor: AMD Sempron(tm) Processor 2800+, MMX, 3DNow, ~2.1GHz Memory: 1024MB RAM DirectX Version: DirectX 9.0c (4.09.0000.0904) Vid Card name: NVIDIA GeForce FX 5700LE Sound Devices Description: C-Media Wave Device Drive: C: Free Space: 56.4 GB Total Space: 76.3 GB File System: NTFS Internet Service: Cable Modem
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Rickard Roentgen
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02-07-2006 15:54
what's your power supply?
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Nyx Divine
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02-07-2006 15:58
From: Rickard Roentgen what's your power supply? 450
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Nyx Divine
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02-07-2006 16:13
From: Katiahnya Muromachi 386/SX-16 w/ 2MB RAM
40MB Harddrive
1.44 3.5 Floppy -AND- 1.2 5.25 Floppy
Trident TVGA 8900C ISA 1MB Videocard
2400 Baud Modem
And THAT wasn't funny.....me knowing shit about computers says to hubby...look apparently Katiahnya has a pimped out rig...GET ME THIS!!!! and put it in. He looks and is like WTF are U kidding....floppy? And then reads the rest of UR post LMAO.
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Rickard Roentgen
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02-07-2006 16:20
Well it's probably your Jeffries tube then if you've got that much power. although I suppose it could be fluctiations in the phase invertor causing instabilities in the plasma flow.
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Herzog Svarog
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02-07-2006 16:22
lmao Rickard!
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Nyx Divine
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02-07-2006 16:29
From: Rickard Roentgen Well it's probably your Jeffries tube then if you've got that much power. although I suppose it could be fluctiations in the phase invertor causing instabilities in the plasma flow. OK OK I showed my ignorance yes.....and left that door WIDE open....but seriously help me  Consider it a challenge hehe
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Phoenix Psaltery
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02-07-2006 16:29
From: Aaron Levy I don't have a lesser system. I have a 3.2GHZ Penitum 4 w/ 2GB RAM and a 256MB nVidia graphics card & a 300GB SATA 10,000 RPM hard drive. Second Life ran BEAUTIFULLY before 1.5. Everything was on, even local lighting, shiny objects, with a draw distance of 256m. It was really very very VERY beautiful, and at 1600x1200 no less. I was paying $75 a month in tier fees because it was worth every dime. Just one thought, Aaron... have you looked into the discussions on hyperthreading and how some systems need to have affinity set? /111/c1/80954/1.html And frankly, I haven't seen a thing in this thread that warranted your hostile attitude towards some of the other posters. Everybody's just trying to help. P2 |
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Margaret Mfume
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02-07-2006 16:31
Reading this thread really brings home how far from being a platform SL is. 
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Rickard Roentgen
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02-07-2006 16:41
From: Phoenix Psaltery Just one thought, Aaron... have you looked into the discussions on hyperthreading and how some systems need to have affinity set? /111/c1/80954/1.html And frankly, I haven't seen a thing in this thread that warranted your hostile attitude towards some of the other posters. Everybody's just trying to help. P2 better yet, turn hyperthreading off. |
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Herzog Svarog
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02-07-2006 16:41
From: Margaret Mfume Reading this thread really brings home how far from being a platform SL is. Very good point Margaret! We ALL need to keep in mind that SL is still very young and in a constant state of development and will likely continue to cause problems for some users for some time yet. As the saying goes "you can please some of the people some of the time but you can't please all of the people all of the time." |
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Rickard Roentgen
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02-07-2006 16:53
unless you're Jack Bauer.
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Margaret Mfume
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02-07-2006 16:55
From: Herzog Svarog As the saying goes "you can please some of the people some of the time... So very true. Let's just hope that enough of the few have the means to foot the bill.  Isn't it Bauer?
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Martin Magpie
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02-07-2006 19:57
I don't know why SL prefers pci graphics card or agp but it does. I have been running two systems, and the pci runs smoother. I even bought extra GB's of ram for the agp system;and the only difference was textures loaded faster. Why the preference for pci over agp? Agp has a marked choppiness to it over the pci that runs smooth.
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Siara Eponym
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02-07-2006 21:52
We're really not getting enough info even in this thread.
Some things that effect performance:
overall temperature on load
both amount of total RAM, amount of RAM being used arbitrarily, latency of RAM (2.0, 2.5, 3.0), dual channel or not, overclockage, temperature of RAM on load,
Whether or not your card is PCI, PCI-E, or AGP8x, AGP 4x, AGP 2x, etc, SLI cabling
What GPU archetecture you have (how many pipelines, support for pixel shaders, etc), How much on-board VRAM your videocard has (32-512MB)
How much virtual memory is allocated and to which HDD, HDD spin, transfer cable
Processor Speed/amount of L2/L3 cache, Hyperthreading, 64 v 32 bit processor, Dual processor core, additional processes running (tanking), actual OS archetecture. Last time you defragmented?
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Herzog Svarog
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02-07-2006 23:43
From: Siara Eponym We're really not getting enough info even in this thread.
Some things that effect performance:
overall temperature on load
both amount of total RAM, amount of RAM being used arbitrarily, latency of RAM (2.0, 2.5, 3.0), dual channel or not, overclockage, temperature of RAM on load,
Whether or not your card is PCI, PCI-E, or AGP8x, AGP 4x, AGP 2x, etc, SLI cabling
What GPU archetecture you have (how many pipelines, support for pixel shaders, etc), How much on-board VRAM your videocard has (32-512MB)
How much virtual memory is allocated and to which HDD, HDD spin, transfer cable
Processor Speed/amount of L2/L3 cache, Hyperthreading, 64 v 32 bit processor, Dual processor core, additional processes running (tanking), actual OS archetecture. Last time you defragmented? Indeed, many things that I'm guessing the vast majority of SL users have no idea how to check (not meant as a slam to anyone or a "you're all stupid" statement, just making an observation and by all means please correct me if I'm wrong). As I tried to point out previously, there are many MANY things that can affect the performance of SL, I just choose not to list them all 'cuz I don't really want to type that much out in one sitting, heh...thx for adding some in to the discussion Siara |
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Darkness Anubis
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02-08-2006 04:40
My machine is far from stellar
CPU: Not supported (3192 Mhz)actually it is a Hyperthreaded P4
Memory: 511 MB its actually 512
OS Version: Microsoft Windows XP Service Pack 2 (Build 2600)
OpenGL Vendor: NVIDIA Corporation
OpenGL Renderer: GeForce FX 5950 Ultra/AGP/SSE2
OpenGL Version: 1.4.1
On our home Island (Dragon Isle) which was built to be low/no lag I get Basic FPS in the 75-115 range
in fairly crowded/ laggy builds I get 15-25 FPS
BUT
I do think the assett server is having some major problems as frequently since last weeks update it takes about 7 tries to rez anything. (Even on Dragon Isle)
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Cottonteil Muromachi
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02-08-2006 05:33
Just curious. Whats everyones average ping by the way?
I have crappy DSL and get an average of 250ms, which is good enough to build things, but not good enough to fly around exploring the detritus around SL.
If it hits above 500ms, I stop building.
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Darkness Anubis
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02-08-2006 06:03
Ping Sim 78
Ping User 73
Is that what you mean?
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Herzog Svarog
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02-09-2006 06:15
Yes Darkness, that is what Cottonteil was referring to. Basically the ping is a representation of how fast the computers are talking to each other. The lower the numbers the better...as Cottonteil pointed out, when pings get to 500, you can pretty much forget about doing anything but standing still and occasionally chatting.
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Astry Mirabeau
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02-09-2006 06:35
From: Rickard Roentgen heh, no offense to hertzog or burke but I'd consider both of your systems sub par. Hertzog, you've only got 256 ram? ouch. burke an FX5200? no wonder some places are so slow you can't move. good processor though hertzog. XP3000+ OCd 1.5gig ram GeForce 6800GT something like 400gig hd space (unless you're down to your last free gig, this shouldn't effect sl much, although drive speed might). XP Pro ~6Mbit Comcast Cable Exact same setup, with the exception of 200gig hd space. I have fps rarely as high as 7.0 at my home, sitting still, as low as 2.0... when I go to a higher populated area fps shoots up as high as 15.0 (still way below average). This is with all SL settings at nill as well. Obviously there are issues within SL. |
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Darkness Anubis
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02-09-2006 07:09
From: Herzog Svarog Yes Darkness, that is what Cottonteil was referring to. Basically the ping is a representation of how fast the computers are talking to each other. The lower the numbers the better...as Cottonteil pointed out, when pings get to 500, you can pretty much forget about doing anything but standing still and occasionally chatting. Ty Herzog. Neworks and their terminology are not my strong suit. |
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Hok Wakawaka
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02-09-2006 07:13
FWIW:
Hello. I just joind SL today and I am shocked at the very poor performance level of the game.
I am finding the game to be totally unplayable today because of extreme lag.
I have a Velocity Micro custom gaming rig with an AMD 3800+ processor, a gig of RAM, and a high-end vid card (Nvidia 7800GT 256Mb). My connection is DSL. I play graphically challenging games (WOW, Everquest2) at Very High Quality settings with full anti-aliasing and anistropic filtering.
SL clearly is having a serious server-side problem.
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Mack Echegaray
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02-09-2006 07:25
That's not entirely fair. Games like WoW can use optimizations that would be very hard to implement in SL because the world is static. To say it has "issues" is true but it should be remembered that you're comparing apples and oranges.
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Margaret Mfume
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02-09-2006 07:31
Good move that; informing a disappointed new user that the problem lies in their attitude.
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