Logo Design?
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Over Sleeper
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Join date: 12 Jan 2006
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07-15-2006 17:15
From: Page Witte Wow. Ok. I looked at your logo samples. By all means, charge $L100 for them. I don't mean to be rude about this, but it's going to come off as it because I'm going to be brutally honest with you. That and I feel the need to defend my work and prices, seeing as you are basically trying to take any prospective customers I might have had with your little plug there. You can charge $L100 because your logos aren't by any means professional. It's simply not good at all. You over-use and abuse layer effects like drop shadowing and many of your images appear to be clipart or pulled right off a Google Image Search. If they aren't, and you actually created them, they still look like clipart and then might as well be clipart. It'd be like a 24k gold statue of Elvis. It may have been made expensively, but it's still tasteless. Listen people, the truth about the world is you get what you pay for; if you want to pay $L100 for a logo, expect to get one that's worth that. $25 USD is squat for a professional logo, as many people have noted on this forum. Owning a pirated copy of Photoshop doesn't make you a graphic designer. I'm a professional and won't undersell my skill like that. My willingness to do this is only to make a little extra spending money and to build up a good portfolio for my future as a designer. I'm prepared to take a risk and give this a go to see how it works out. I know there are people out there who would pay what I'm asking, and it is in all honesty an extremely reasonable price. If you don't think it is, that's cool. I'm not demanding you buy a logo from me. I'm only suggesting it will indeed be worth the money. People remember logos. McDonald's, Nike, Mac, and so on. Make it so people will remember yours. I'll be sure to announce when Thrive Studio is open for business. In the meantime, ask yourself: Which would you rather have representing you? ~Page Witte These logos can be (and look like they were) created using http://www.thelogocreator.com/ ?? Is that right? I have that software and noticed the fonts and built in graphics from the program. LOL If you want to produce logos, software like this is great to use. However, if you want to produce high quality original logos for top price, you'll want to use Photoshop or something that which will allow you free creative manipulation. If I saw these as your sample logos myself, I'd just go buy the software for $39.95. If you are going to charge $25 USD per logo (L$7500), I'd want something I couldn't do myself. I can buy that software and do this myself. Personally, I have seen that "JK" font which comes woth the Logo Creator enough to know how it was created. LOL Best of luck to you though. You definitley are motivated!
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Doubledown Tandino
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07-15-2006 17:22
Page, if you're going to take the professional executive approach, trying to market to the high-end SL business owners is the only way you'll get the kind of money you're after. Any mom-and-pop businessperson in SL that's starting out and trying to run a business as an experiment isn't going to want to pay much for a logo.
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Drift Zenith
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Join date: 14 May 2006
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07-15-2006 17:23
Just a heads up for you graphic designers and would be logo designing profesionals. I know of at least one store currently looking for a logo and paying handsomly for it. Granted it's in the form of a contest, but what better way to launch a reputation and make a little $L? Take a look: Gurl 6 Logo Contest
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Felix Uritsky
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07-15-2006 17:42
From: Page Witte In the meantime, ask yourself: Which would you rather have representing you? Honestly, I don't particularly like either one. Yours is too simplistic, and the other one looks like every theme park's ride signs. I'm going to second what Doubledown said. You're not going to get a very healthy reception to something like this on the forums, so go around and talk to existing business owners, particularly those that don't have very well-made logos (ONE comes to mind). Small shops and start-ups generally aren't going to have the money to afford your services, and/or they're not going be able to justify paying $25USD for an in-game logo.
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Over Sleeper
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Join date: 12 Jan 2006
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07-15-2006 17:43
From: Doubledown Tandino Page, if you're going to take the professional executive approach, trying to market to the high-end SL business owners is the only way you'll get the kind of money you're after. Any mom-and-pop businessperson in SL that's starting out and trying to run a business as an experiment isn't going to want to pay much for a logo. Not only that, but look at your target market. Businesses in SL are mostly comprised of Fashion businesses - clothing makers. These people use Photoshop on a daily basis more or less. Do you think they can find the brainpower and creativity to come up with their own logo? I would hope so! Good luck selling a logo to them. I would never try to enter that market. You'd have more success selling used pencils to blind people in Alaska.
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Sensual Casanova
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07-15-2006 17:48
From: Felix Uritsky Honestly, I don't particularly like either one. Yours is too simplistic, and the other one looks like every theme park's ride signs.
I'm going to second what Doubledown said. You're not going to get a very healthy reception to something like this on the forums, so go around and talk to existing business owners, particularly those that don't have very well-made logos (ONE comes to mind). Small shops and start-ups generally aren't going to have the money to afford your services, and/or they're not going be able to justify paying $25USD for an in-game logo. I couldn't agree more... I wouldn't pay money for either of those logos... Asri made mine and she is truley a graphics designer irl and does brochures, magazines record labels etc... heres a pic ( and this is probably the most simple as she gets) 
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Felix Uritsky
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07-15-2006 17:56
Over: Oooo, excellent point, I hadn't really thought of that. Any way you cut it, the market for this is rather small. Sensual: Now THAT'S a cool logo! I like it 
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Drift Zenith
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07-15-2006 18:09
I like the font and the layout of that logo, but the big glowing dragon for a S makes me cringe, don't like that bit at all.
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Page Witte
Thrive Studio Owner
Join date: 26 Apr 2006
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07-15-2006 21:51
From: Over Sleeper These logos can be (and look like they were) created using http://www.thelogocreator.com/ ?? Is that right? I have that software and noticed the fonts and built in graphics from the program. LOL If you want to produce logos, software like this is great to use. However, if you want to produce high quality original logos for top price, you'll want to use Photoshop or something that which will allow you free creative manipulation. If I saw these as your sample logos myself, I'd just go buy the software for $39.95. If you are going to charge $25 USD per logo (L$7500), I'd want something I couldn't do myself. I can buy that software and do this myself. Personally, I have seen that "JK" font which comes woth the Logo Creator enough to know how it was created. LOL Best of luck to you though. You definitley are motivated! I'm not sure if I'm reading this correctly or not, but I make all my logos from scratch in Illustrator and Photoshop. Mine aren't created by anything other than my own hands. If you're referring to the other guy's, then yeah. The JK one was an example of his, not mine. I just wanted to clear that up. Also, I am a graphic designer in real life. It's what I'm in school for and I've already completed four full years and have one more semester to graduate. This is actually one of my motivations for doing this; I need to build up a portfolio of actual work and not just school projects I've done. Slowly but surely I have had real world jobs already. As for my logo being too simplistic? That's the general idea with a logo. It's supposed to be simple and easy to understand at a quick glance. Look at Second Life's logo. Pretty simple. You can't please everyone, of course, and I wasn't aiming to please anyone other than myself with the Thrive Studio logo because it's my logo. I wouldn't expect anyone to want to buy that one, it's just an example of work. If you were a customer and wanted something more complex, that's fine. Although I'd totally warn you that complex and flashy logos aren't good logos. That dragon certainly looks cool, but it isn't a great logo. A tribal style dragon isn't sensual. It's fierce and powerful. It makes an eye catching poster, and everything else works well, but the dragon doesn't fit. So unless there's supposed to be some kind of juxtaposition there to create tension between the feminine script and masculine dragon that I'm missing, it doesn't work. I appreciate the feedback and your input on the matter. As I said, I'm going to go ahead and go with what I'm doing to see how it works. And as I said, if you don't want to pay that much, that's cool. I'm only continuing to post here on the forum because I feel like I need to defend myself for some reason.
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Sensual Casanova
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07-15-2006 22:17
From: Page Witte I'm not sure if I'm reading this correctly or not, but I make all my logos from scratch in Illustrator and Photoshop. Mine aren't created by anything other than my own hands. If you're referring to the other guy's, then yeah. The JK one was an example of his, not mine. I just wanted to clear that up. Also, I am a graphic designer in real life. It's what I'm in school for and I've already completed four full years and have one more semester to graduate. This is actually one of my motivations for doing this; I need to build up a portfolio of actual work and not just school projects I've done. Slowly but surely I have had real world jobs already.
As for my logo being too simplistic? That's the general idea with a logo. It's supposed to be simple and easy to understand at a quick glance. Look at Second Life's logo. Pretty simple. You can't please everyone, of course, and I wasn't aiming to please anyone other than myself with the Thrive Studio logo because it's my logo. I wouldn't expect anyone to want to buy that one, it's just an example of work.
If you were a customer and wanted something more complex, that's fine. Although I'd totally warn you that complex and flashy logos aren't good logos. That dragon certainly looks cool, but it isn't a great logo. A tribal style dragon isn't sensual. It's fierce and powerful. It makes an eye catching poster, and everything else works well, but the dragon doesn't fit. So unless there's supposed to be some kind of juxtaposition there to create tension between the feminine script and masculine dragon that I'm missing, it doesn't work. I appreciate the feedback and your input on the matter. As I said, I'm going to go ahead and go with what I'm doing to see how it works. And as I said, if you don't want to pay that much, that's cool. I'm only continuing to post here on the forum because I feel like I need to defend myself for some reason. Who are you to say what MY logo should like? Sensual is my name hence Sensual Designs & Animators, it doesnt mean everything I do or make is soft and sensual... Thats like me saying Thrive Studio must be about a leaf or thriving for business? *shrugs*
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Page Witte
Thrive Studio Owner
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07-15-2006 22:24
From: Sensual Casanova Who are you to say what MY logo should like? Sensual is my name hence Sensual Designs & Animators, it doesnt mean everything I do or make is soft and sensual... Thats like me saying Thrive Studio must be about a leaf or thriving for business? *shrugs* Actually, the intention was about thriving your business. Great work, you understood it! I'm not saying what your logo SHOULD look like. I'm merely giving my opinion, which you freely gave concerning mine. Your name, Sensual, carries a meaning. Sensual is a word before a name, and most people are going to recognize that meaning before recognizing it's your name. That's all I was getting at. These are things a designer needs to think about; a logo isn't just about looking pretty, it's mostly about communication.
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Sensual Casanova
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07-15-2006 22:26
From: Page Witte Actually, the intention was about thriving your business. Great work, you understood it! I'm not saying what your logo SHOULD look like. I'm merely giving my opinion, which you freely gave concerning mine. Saying I wouldnt pay money for either logo doesnt mean I was saying this is how it should look... Anywho if you want $25 USD for a logo, you may want to start by adding some better samples to your webpage... *edit to add so the leaf means what? Probably nothing, which is my point...
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Page Witte
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07-15-2006 22:31
You're more than entitled to your opinion, although now I think you're just being rude because I critiqued your logo. Please don't take a critique personally. It's just my opinion and I've been taught to do it. I am not by any means badmouthing you or your logo and I'm sorry if it came across like that. It tends to if you're not used to hearing it yourself alot. In my classes, you're not allowed to say what's "good" or what you "like" about someone's work. You pick out what you think could be improved so the person can improve upon it.
Thrive. Growth. Plants grow. Plants have leaves. Thrive is a word that invokes these images.
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Sensual Casanova
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07-15-2006 22:34
From: Page Witte You're more than entitled to your opinion, although now I think you're just being rude because I critiqued your logo. Please don't take a critique personally. It's just my opinion and I've been taught to do it. I am not being rude... I am being honest, I didn't see a single logo on your page that caught my eye, in fact I can't even tell you about one of them, thats how little it drew attention to me, except for yout Thrive Studio logo because I sat and stared awhile comparing yours and the JK logo and seen no difference in quality. Please note I said I didn't l think your work was not worth that much USD before you said anything about my logo
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Io Zeno
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07-15-2006 22:35
Woo-hoo! I'm a graphic designer in rl, and I thought, meh, this is like taking work into play, I'd rather learn something new. So I didn't volunteer any interest. Now I'm glad I didn't. :/ However, since I love Gurl6, I may just loosen up an throw my hat in that ring. 
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Page Witte
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07-15-2006 22:37
From: Sensual Casanova I am not being rude... I am being honest, I didn't see a single logo on your page that caught my eye, in fact I can't even tell you about one of them, thats how little it drew attention to me, except for yout Thrive Studio logo because I sat and stared awhile comparing yours and the JK logo and seen no difference in quality. Please note I said I didn't l think your work was not worth that much USD before you said anything about my logo If you saw no difference in quality, then this discussion is over. Feel free to have the last word because it isn't worth my time.
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Sensual Casanova
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07-15-2006 22:38
From: Io Zeno Woo-hoo! I'm a graphic designer in rl, and I thought, meh, this is like taking work into play, I'd rather learn something new. So I didn't volunteer any interest. Now I'm glad I didn't. :/ However, since I love Gurl6, I may just loosen up an throw my hat in that ring.  hehe yes that looks like a fun project, thought about entering myself even though I have never made a logo before 
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SuezanneC Baskerville
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07-15-2006 22:39
From: Sensual Casanova maybe I am thinking differently but that is more of a poster or sign then a logo... This is a joke, not a logo or a poster or a sign.
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Io Zeno
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07-15-2006 22:39
From: Sensual Casanova hehe yes that looks like a fun project, thought about entering myself even though I have never made a logo before  Free. Lifetime. New. Releases. I'm so there. 
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Sensual Casanova
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07-15-2006 22:40
From: SuezanneC Baskerville This is a joke, not a logo or a poster or a sign. oops my bad 
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Sensual Casanova
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07-15-2006 22:41
From: Page Witte If you saw no difference in quality, then this discussion is over. Feel free to have the last word because it isn't worth my time. You're more than entitled to your opinion, although now I think you're just being rude because I critiqued your logo. Please don't take a critique personally. It's just my opinion and I've been taught to do it. I am not by any means badmouthing you or your logo and I'm sorry if it came across like that. It tends to if you're not used to hearing it yourself alot. In my classes, you're not allowed to say what's "good" or what you "like" about someone's work. You pick out what you think could be improved so the person can improve upon it.
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Jonas Pierterson
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07-15-2006 22:42
My fiance might try the gurl 6 contest.
My logo is simple yet perfect for what I need - I'll be looking for some good new store space soon hopefully.
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Felix Uritsky
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07-15-2006 23:01
From: Page Witte As for my logo being too simplistic? That's the general idea with a logo. It's supposed to be simple and easy to understand at a quick glance. Look at Second Life's logo. Pretty simple. You can't please everyone, of course, and I wasn't aiming to please anyone other than myself with the Thrive Studio logo because it's my logo. I wouldn't expect anyone to want to buy that one, it's just an example of work. Well, I just now looked at your portfolio, and I must say you have quite a collection of excellent work. Now I'm just curious why you chose the blandest one to link to in the thread as a comparison to something else? I wouldn't pay $25 for the Thrive one, but for something like "Slipgate Legacy" or even "Badgersoft"? Sure, I think that's worth it  And since this has morphed into the "post your graphics" thread to an extent, here's one of mine:   
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Page Witte
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07-15-2006 23:21
The Thrive Studio logo is my design logo. The others were made for other people. My philosophy on design is minimalism. True minimalism is the reduction of something into its most simplistic elements while still having it communicate the original message clearly. My Thrive logo when I first started it was much more complex and larger. But I spent quite literally several hours reworking and refining it until it was reduced to what it is now.
One of my biggest objectives in creating a logo is trying to make sure it can be made black and white and still be readable. Less color is better. One or two colors (excluding black and white as colors) is best. Most real companies take this into consideration because of the cost for printing multiple colors. Woo.
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