The Joys of Weapons Testing... Oh Look Griefing.

Speaking as the first avatar to pass the two billion meter mark, I'm already ticked off by how much push was nerfed in 1.7. I haven't been able to get over one billion meters since then. No more push nerfing, please.

Yes, I'm serious.

In the oh-my-god-it's-getting-on-for-a-year that I've been here, I've been "pushed" against my will three times, twice because someone was tossing C4 around and once because someone thought the prims I was working on looked like a shield and they decided to plink me. I've also been hit by a swarming particle emitter (twice) and a noisemaker-rezzer.

Nerf push, and you'll just get people using other techniques to disrupt a peaceful life.

Let's role-play this scenario:

Wrong:

Einsman: (fires gun)

(fx: BOOM)

Argent: "Yew rotten swine!"


Right:

Einsman: "Excuse me, I'd like to test a weapon. Would you mind being a target?"

Argent: "Sure, just give me a minute to save this script..."

(pause)

Argent: "OK, hit me"

Einsman: (fires gun)

(fx: BOOM)

Argent: "He he he, that was cool."

That would totally trash my skydiving launch platform, and possibly my antigravity elevator too.

I've asked about testing on others in the sandbox (whenever I get a new toy)

I even tell them how far their gun knocks me when i let them hit me in return

hmmz0rz. ive never been the target of a griefer and i can be quite an asshole... if you all (those that posted about it) keep having issues with other players perhaps its you.

if i go to a place titled "weapons testing" id expect to get the shit blasted out of me. whether its once or 500 times, it doesnt matter.

if you jsut wanna cry about soemthing at least make it interesting and arguable

I hope you use - 'Remember Username and Password'

Well remember its a mixed coin, there will always be shooters peopel to victimize, and goofs who like shooting people <like me> Only times you find sims worth shooting up are with people, but as always we are not allowed to shoot in regular sims, so they made a sandbox dedicated to doingboth griefing and weps creation. As long as your seated, people can't affect you, and if they do <by crashing the sim> then next time build in a nother sandbox, then once done, test it out on th very sae grifers. OR if you wanna make a little scratch, why not host an event for gun testing.

There will always be griefer/shooters as long as SL exists and short of proving you are over 12 years of age and have an IQ above 35 I don't see any way of avoiding it.

I personally found this post to be utterly fascinating. maybe there's something going on in that sandbox people don't know about rile wise?

I was greifed once. *Once.* And I reported it. And inside of ten minutes the Lindens were all over the griefer. I know this, because he Imed me calling me names for reporting him. So..I either got a Linden that abhorrs greifers or...I got lucky OR...something's amiss.

Well, I'm in combat groups, and have been for most of my time in SL. And while a stand-up fight in a combat ism is fun, we tend to draw griefers like flies. I get attacked by a sit-shield wearing griefer with a HoG, HoS, or Meteor an average of once every couple of days, and as Justice points out there *are* commonly spotted folks.
I've run into th eperson she specifically named at least twice, for example.

And a few Lindens take a very personal approach. I've once in awhile had a Linden show up to deal with it.

However, in Weapons Testing specifically, I and a group were staging something and got hit with... can't even remember what. But it was something persistantly disruptive, and screwed up the setup we had worked at least 2 hours setting up and organizing, on site alone, and even longer with pre-planning. The Linden popped in, saw what was going on, saw the griefer, and shrugged.

Now you can think I'm in the minority, or distrust me, but frankly, at least one other person has had the same issues or frustrations I've had, since I'm not hte one who started this thread in the first place.

I think you really did get lucky. I used to build at Mauve sandbox, and some guy was always flying in with a HOS, doing a /blastall and sending us into another sim. You'd TP back, only to get blasted on return. It is really annoying when you're working on something. And going afk, only to find yourself in another sim when you return. No response from the Lindens other than "file an abuse report" ever, even if the situation was ongoing and preventing you from doing anything. So you do file an abuse report. Then you have a look at the police blotter, which identifies the area... nothing for any incident in Mauve that week. And you wonder, how did not that draw at least a warning? You have the chat history, you have verification that we got hit by a scripted object...
I got sick of having to wear a shield while building, or sitting on a prim. I just stopped going.

There's a difference between "testing" and "willfull agression", dear.

Of course, you have to be either female and/or over 25 to understand this <grin>. As an older woman with many years of observation in the matter, I believe the human male's obsession with things that go _BANG!_ is hardwired into the brainstem and is also linked to the spike in testosterone levels between the ages of 14-25, after which the production of testosterone declines and such obsessions no longer dominate the male mental balance.

The confusion in the perception of the real motivation of the acts passed off as "testing" apears to be the same sort of self-serving obfuscation that some people indulge in to explain acts of agression which are passed off as "jokes", when in fact they are thinly disguised, malicious harassment -- bullying someone by such behavior is actually a domestic form of terrorism.

Let's put it this way: If someone is ACTUALLY _testing_ an item, they don't have to aim it directly at someone else, they can use the weapon on an object. If, however, they claim they really _need_ to "test" it on bystanders who have not volunteered for such "testing", they are indulging in willful agression and should be AR'd immediately for griefing as well as malicious and deliberate assault.

Thats exactly what I did Merlyn. I went to Rausch Sandbox, with a desire to talk to people more experienced than I with weapons on SL. Now, firs toff.. combat on here isn't a huge thing to me.. this is mroe for fun, though I've bought weapons that also enhance my outfits and are fun. No big guns..no big meteor. Just a bow and a windmill shuriken (both from entropy and usually set on no push/no damage).

I told the person who mistook me for a greifer (I presume) I think that I wouldn't shoot at soemone unelss I asked first. I was then caged, threatened, and then killed. ALL after stating my intentions of not harming anyone. I couldn't even get to wanting to talk to experiences combatants.

I reported both of them for greifing. If this is the welcome an honest and open player receives I can see why they turn into greifers.

File more abuse reports. Every time you get hit file another one. Give them a pattern of abuse they've got a paper trail on. And keep track of the reports yourself, so you can come back with your paper trail and show they're not following up on them.

This entire thead just makes me laugh really. Oh wait.. it's just more complaining on a meaningless topic.

Let's take a look at the common sense of things shall we? If you go to a place, where its designated for weapons, I'd say EXPECT to get shot. Common sense no? IF you want to just build your weapon, BUILD or SCRIPT it SOMEWHERE ELSE. Then go and test it. Common sense no? Aww, you got shot? In a designated shooting range? Duh, that's what its for. Now if it were anywhere else it wouldn't be acceptable. But oh wait, I forgot, theres NO common sense in this thread at all! Its. OMG I GOT SHOT AR AR!

So, where is the common sense? I don't see it here.

Yeah I would of Argent, but frankly I just got over it, and bought enough land to have my own sandbox. That and when you can an email that says the situation has been "resolved" (how?) you kind of get left with a feeling of why bother?
I mean, Mauve isn't even a 'designated shooting range'.

Pretty much but the rules as posted earlier do state you're still not allowed to go around shooting people in non damage areas. YOu'd still expect it in a weapons testing sandbox due to fallout and whatever. The problem is it happens a lot in the other sandboxes. Sandbox island in particular.

Abuse reports seem ineffective especially as there is a continous flow of new players. Everyone has a right to effect the world but that right stops when it begins to interfere with someone else's experience. We shouldn't have to constantly sit on wood boxes.

You know, surprisingly few people are killed at real life rifle ranges given that they're places designated for weapons where people should "expect to get shot". And paintball, where people do "expect to get shot" they don't get shot when they're working on their markers.

Common sense is that you get combat in a combat zone, and testing in a testing zone, and... testing isn't combat.

Jonas, I'm not one who uses weapons or thinks they're cool, but I believe that Rausch is the designated sandbox that is specifically _NOT_ a SAFE zone. As such, anyone who visits is automatically becomes FAIR GAME... however, the problem is that if you're not invited into/involved in a violence-oriented game, it's _still_ not considered polite to use weapons on other residents, without fair warning, though many of the weapons-users would probably tell you that the "zoning" of Rausch as non-safe is sufficient warning.

If they were involved in a specific game, however, and your "testing" interrupted their game, they have a limited right to RA you for simple manners. Don't interrupt others doing whatever they're doing, if they look like they're busy. Test your toys on something inanimate or find someone "hanging loose" and ask him to play guinea pig for/with you. Offer to be guinea pig for _his_ testing. (Fair's fair...)

And please check the "birthdate" of anyone you approach in Rausch -- if they're a newbie, they're probably lost and have no idea what may happen to them. Just play nice, that's all.

That was my point..I wasn't in any 'game' I was just looking for someone to test with and saw a cage that piqued my curiousity. Unfortunately it turned out to be a cage done by a greifer on soemone..and two others thought I did it.

I can understand their response..except for the whole looking at the cages owner part..