It seems Mr Impeach is worried about Prop 905.

Mr Impeach said something to this affect: (Btw, Im not naming names nor suggesting this came straight from chat)

"Hi Chris. I think your proposal 905 is a cop out. If you want to make the world look exactly and only the way YOU want it, draw a picture on the inside of a paper bag and wear it over your head. I would suggest, however, that you avoid felt-tip markers. I think you may be overly sensitive to the fumes. "

The funny thing is this guy knows nothing about me nor why I started proposition 905.

Some background:

I use to own around 12,000m in Jessie and hung out there alot with some people from WWIIOL (and no im not a griefer, I simply played the game and came from there and had some friends here). So eye-sores and other obnoxious things/builds/people do not bother me.

I came to these forums one day and saw a ton of posts about ugly builds and even these impeach bush signs. I suggested a technical solution and some people said it was a good idea and that I should propose it. A week or so after that I was bored and decided to create Prop 905. And at the time I owned ZERO land, so no, there were no eye sores or anything that bothered me. And even if I owned land next to Mr Impeach's signs, it wouldnt bother me, hey, like I said, I lived in Jessie, anywhere else is a vacation.

So basically I started buying up 16m lots and advertising Prop 905. I guess Mr Impeach saw them and it bothered him enough to contact me. Maybe he should take his own advice. Im just doing this because I think it would be a cool feature (one that I have no use for atm) and would be good for LL business and people in general (even if the impeach bush signs never existed).

Maybe he's pissed you didn't set the plots for sale

I do find it very very funny

Wonder if theres some plots for sale in HIS home sim...

Oh they are for sale. 500 L$ per 16m and every time someone buys them, I revest that money into buying more parcels (which I state in the notecard my display hands out).

well there ya go - you're devaluing the 16m plots! they should be 10,000 for 16m!

More power to you Chris! I only wish there was a way to put your prop signs a lil 'closer to home' if you know what I mean

haha... where is *cough* home? not that I would do such a thing. PM? heh

I adore the paperbag idea and I'm gonna use it! Awesome!

kk bye now hugz and kisses





roflmfao

Chris I think prop 905 is a great idea, it can be used for so much more then just to get rid of the Bush guy signs, for me it would mean I could filter out that big black wall my neighbor put up 3 meters from my living room window and beable to see the land scape I originaly bought my land for again with out haveing ill will towards my nieghbor.

I too got an offline message for my anti-land extortion sign, showing Bush flipping the bird at land extortion under the guise of a political statement.

Basically I was told it was about the level of intelligence expected of 'my' president, and various other anti-Bush rants.

I just replied that as I am not in the US, Bush has no more authority over me than he does

One day the truth will come out about all this.... right now, it confuses the hell outta me.

Lewis

Just saw the proposal, popped along to read it, and added my votes. Good one.

I've always wanted filtering, so I've applied all 10 of my votes to this.

Good suggestion, thanks for bringing it to our attention.

Also, if you could send me your sign texture promoting your proposition - I'd be happy to put it on some signs on the land I own.

Prop 905 seems to me to be pretty much identical in intent to my previous prop 787, except it targets individual users rather than landowners.

I wonder if it would be possible to merge the votes - or have people voted on both?

They each have about 150 now - if just one of them had that, it'd cross the Linden threshold.

(The reason I targeted landowners was, that if you target individual users, every one of them has to see the Bush sign (or whatever) at least once and then be bothered to take action to remove it; whereas if the landowners can do it once for everyone, individuals won't see them unless they fly over to look at them.)

Thanks for the feedback everyone.


I just read prop 787 but I dont feel they are identical (905 & 787) in the impact they would have on LL in reguards to code changes and data sent.

787 tracks by object, so if a new object is created, either by script or the neighbor, you'll have to add that one to the list. Also the list of objects filtered would have to be stored on LL servers and each time someone visits your land that list has to be downloaded and applied. 787 would require additional traffic (sending of lists) and storage (storing of lists).

905 tracks by area, so if anything in that area is added, no administration is needed. Also the tracking is done and stored completely on the client side. No additional data, traffic or storage would be needed on the backend by LL and their servers/networks. 905 also lets non-land owners filter items, this would be great for people renting or even people that hang out in an area alot that they dont own. So you can filter areas anywhere for what ever purpose.

Both 787 and 905 have good intentions and would be useful tools. However they differ greatly in the amount of impact (IMO) they would have on LL to impliment and maintain. Again, I appreciate the feedback and support.

filtering++

You got my votes too. I would love to be able to use SL the same way I do Firefox with Adblock.

10 votes for proposal 905.

Seems like this would solve a lot of neighbor issues as well.

I'm a little unsure about the idea of letting people alter how someone else's land looks while they are on it, though.

If I filter out the wall of your house, can I fly through it? Can I see through it?

If not, can Bush Guy attach a big maze of prims to each sign, so that if you filter the sign you inevitably wind up getting some of the maze in the bounding box too, and then you have an invisible maze to negotiate when flying?

Can scripts still see the stuff I filter? Scripts I'm writing? Scripts on objects I own? Scripts on items I interact with within the parcel?

Well, I imagine that the client would pretty much have to turn off the filtering for any region that you're actually inside, or you couldn't see yourself!

If the filtering is purely client-side, no.

Yes, but you won't be able to see anything inside the filtered region... and you can already hide individual prims.

He'd have to buy all the land that the maze of prims was over, and if it was big enough to get in the way while you're flying it sure wouldn't fit on a 64m parcel any more.

The filtering is client-side. Scripts are server-side.

Hmm, what may be more benificial would be to either have the filtering automatically shut down when the user is above/on the filtered area (and turned back on when user moves off of it) or have the filtered area block the user out and display a texture the same way the ban-area would if that user was on the land's ban list. That way, people dont get confused or disoriented when they cross into land they have put on to their filtered list.

I dunno, if I've filtered the bling club next door... I still might want to visit it.

When you cross into a filtered area, that filter should be disabled until you leave it.

I would suggest the filter is always on but have a toggle to turn it on/off if you wished to "take a peak" or visit. Thanks again to everyone for the input/feedback.

SNIP! SNIP!

What I love about Lazarus is how he tries to disguise his angst, it's called covert hostility. Anyone read my blog lately? interesting stuff...I promise...not a plug, but you might find more info, and thoughts on this...

Filtering- Is this doable by LL?

Well you can filter things now, the only problem is it filters everything/everywhere. We'd just need to make an option to filter based on area.

I created a proposition too (on the eve of the new year, no less). It is slightly different from yours in it's approach but basically, discourages the same kind of behavior. It's called texture black-listing and can be found here:
http://secondlife.com/vote/index.php?get_id=866
It's also rather popular with the voters.
Good luck on yours, Chris. Hopefully one of us can help make a difference!

Persig

TY! Good luck too!