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MY space sued for 31 mill is LL next?

crucial Armitage
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Join date: 30 Aug 2004
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06-22-2006 20:05
From: Ricky Zamboni
Rose is exactly right.

They know that without age verification kids can get into the main grid. Similarly, they know that without age verification adults can get into the teen grid. They claim to want to protect kids in SL. Actions, however, speak louder than words, and their current actions (or lack thereof) demonstrate clearly they are more concerned with boosting their user numbers (artificially or otherwise) than maintaining even the appearance of concern for the risks they are potentially placing kids in.

As Katykiwi outlined earlier, by billing the main grid as "18+" while removing even the rudimentary identity verification previously in place, they are potentially opening themselves to substantial liability. They were flat-out wrong to remove the age verification. They should just admit and change things back that so we can all move on.



I was referring to times past about there caring for children as in there very strict policy with the teen grid. although in hindsight and after seeing there complete refusal to reinstate any kind of identity verification I am inclined to believe now that they don't care. This is a very sad fact but just completely opening up the flood gates like this surely sends the message that they don't think much for the kids knowing that any child can gain access to the main grid.
Cocoanut Cookie
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Join date: 26 Jan 2006
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06-22-2006 20:08
Let's say the authorities DO buy the "service provider" argument.

In that case, LL is pretty much just the programmers, caretakers, and janitors of SL, those who just keep the machine running. By that line of reasoning, WE are the actual content providers, running our own individual parcels.

Imagine this: LL is not to be held responsible for what happens to teens and children in SL because they are merely providing a platform people can pay to rent land on and have their individually-owned businesses on.

So - if the buck slips past LL, who does it land on? US, that's who.

I'm thinking it might be that we will each be responsible for what others see or engage in on our properties, and it will be us as individuals who end up getting sued.

Put that in your pipe and smoke it awhile. Seems like a possible line of thinking to me.

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Tsukasa Karuna
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Join date: 30 Jun 2004
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06-22-2006 20:34
From: Cocoanut Cookie

So - if the buck slips past LL, who does it land on? US, that's who.


Never thought of it that way before.. if the feds do rule LL as just a service provider, that puts it on the same page as the interweb in general. LL runs the servers, we host pages on their servers, or land as it were.

So what your saying is, if two underages come onto my land, decide to engage in some pixel slapping, get caught, and J. Random Lousy Parent decides to take it to court, I could be held responsible?

WTF?

Btw, love your name.
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Cristiano Midnight
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06-22-2006 21:42
From: Tsukasa Karuna
So what your saying is, if two underages come onto my land, decide to engage in some pixel slapping, get caught, and J. Random Lousy Parent decides to take it to court, I could be held responsible?


Interesting question, given the fact that we signed up for an adults only service, and LL does provide age verificaiton on their site during sign up. I am not sure what legal grey area that then puts us in, but someone damn well better clarify it, since LL seems hell bent on going down this riduclous path.
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Tod69 Talamasca
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06-22-2006 22:06
Kind of reminds me of a local story in Pennsylvania. Supposedly a 12 yr old girl road her ATV to a nearby farm, where she started talking to one of the farmhands. I guess she got mouthy or something so he told her to leave. She took off saying "I'm telling my parents you molested me". And to make matters worse, the idiot panicked & strangled the kid, burying her in a pile of horse manure & the ATV in a manure pit.

Kids seem to have caught on, that no matter what you did wrong- saying an adult touched or molested you, will get you of the hook.

While the guy pretty much fk'd up by strangling the kid, I can understand his horror. Even if you DIDNT touch the kid, you're life is ruined anyways. I remember hearing about teachers who's lives were ruined by kids doing this. Seems like your Damned if you do, Damned if you didnt.
Cristiano Midnight
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06-22-2006 22:08
From: Tod69 Talamasca
Kind of reminds me of a local story in Pennsylvania. Supposedly a 12 yr old girl road her ATV to a nearby farm, where she started talking to one of the farmhands. I guess she got mouthy or something so he told her to leave. She took off saying "I'm telling my parents you molested me". And to make matters worse, the idiot panicked & strangled the kid, burying her in a pile of horse manure & the ATV in a manure pit.

Kids seem to have caught on, that no matter what you did wrong- saying an adult touched or molested you, will get you of the hook.

While the guy pretty much fk'd up by strangling the kid, I can understand his horror. Even if you DIDNT touch the kid, you're life is ruined anyways. I remember hearing about teachers who's lives were ruined by kids doing this. Seems like your Damned if you do, Damned if you didnt.


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Margaret Mfume
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06-22-2006 22:13
From: c128 Balderdash

in the eyes of the law even when its not your fault its your fault.

...and everything else ls opinion and feelings.

Coincidentily, the law suit I heard of yesterday was about a guy suing Myspace for not verifying age after he found himself some legal trouble for his activites with an underage girl who claimed to be older on her Myspace account. The legal community really doesn't care where you met her, how old she portrayed herself to be, or how responsible her parents should be. Honest.

Another interesting case involving a 14 year old girl and a 19 year old guy left him off the hook and her facing runaway charges. The major difference is that he didn't have sex with her. Speaking of responsibilty, maybe there's some wisdom to not having sex the first time you meet someone (regardless of the real ages of the parties involved) and especially so with someone you met on the internet. Ya think?
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Io Zeno
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06-22-2006 22:26
Tod69, what can I say. Dude. Read what you write before you hit submit.

The real danger for LL is that they are in trouble the moment a lawsuit is filed, because it will drain them of money to defend themselves and tarnish their reputation as a company even if they win. And given the capricious nature of juries, it's a 50-50 toss-up whether they would win or lose. The idea that any publicity is a good thing isn't necessarily so, it depends on your business. Sure, there may be a thousand more sign-ups who want to see what the fuss is all about, but if they lose the interest of RL businesses, non-profits, education, the things that set them apart from MMO's and chatrooms and get them press... that is something they covet and seems to be part of their long-term plans for SL.
Groucho Mandelbrot
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06-23-2006 14:38
From: Tod69 Talamasca
While the guy pretty much fk'd up by strangling the kid, I can understand his horror. Even if you DIDNT touch the kid, you're life is ruined anyways. I remember hearing about teachers who's lives were ruined by kids doing this. Seems like your Damned if you do, Damned if you didnt.

Well, if you're gonna get convicted anyway you might as well go ahead and molest them, right?
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