SL as a business platform
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Martin Magpie
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02-20-2006 19:06
These questions are not directed at anyone specifically. Nor is it for any other reason other than I haven't seen these questions directly asked before.
Would you like to see SL strictly used just as a business platform?
How are wishing to see SL as a business platform pushed forward?
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nimrod Yaffle
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02-20-2006 19:10
From: Martin Magpie These questions are not directed at anyone specifically. Nor is it for any other reason other than I haven't seen these questions directly asked before.
Would you like to see SL strictly used just as a business platform?
How are wishing to see SL as a business platform pushed forward? No, I wouldn't depend on L$ to make a living from, someone could hack your account and take them all. Too many uncertianties.
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Gabe Lippmann
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02-20-2006 19:40
From: Martin Magpie Would you like to see SL strictly used just as a business platform?
How are wishing to see SL as a business platform pushed forward? I'm not sure what this means. What would the business be? Game developement? Virtual Meeting space?......?
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Martin Magpie
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02-20-2006 19:43
From: Gabe Lippmann I'm not sure what this means. What would the business be? Game developement? Virtual Meeting space?......? That would depend on the readers perception of what the word "business" means to them. 
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Satchmo Prototype
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02-20-2006 19:50
From: Martin Magpie Would you like to see SL strictly used just as a business platform?
I think of streaming virtual worlds like the 3D web, or as the new coinage Web 3.d. It should enable business in the way the current web enables business, through the innovation provided by the technology. But just like the web, blogging, vlog, sharing photos, resumes, emails, it should always remain more than just commerce. It should be a communication platform where people can express and entertain themselves. When it ties into the current web, which contains many millions of man hours worth of information, SL like the web itself will also excel as an information platform.
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Khamon Fate
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02-20-2006 20:28
Considering the absence of customization, forced use of L$ micropayments, inability to control accounts, inadequate security, and the required use of LL-owned servers to host the simulator, no.
Would I license the software from LL to build a grid for my customers to use, absolutely.
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Martin Magpie
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02-20-2006 22:47
Wow I thought for sure this would be a good topic in these forums.  hrugs:
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Eggy Lippmann
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02-21-2006 01:47
You're welcome to keep the existing world thingy, it's a great place to hang out and have fun and setup your little "shops" etc. I would, though, more than welcome a version of SL that was more about enabling developers to unleash its full power and have full control over it without all the silly builtin restrictions put in place to prevent "griefing" and excessive resource usage.
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Forseti Svarog
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02-21-2006 05:47
From: Martin Magpie Would you like to see SL strictly used just as a business platform? no, I would not like to see SL strictly used for any one thing. There is room enough for many things and many people.
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Einsman Schlegel
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02-21-2006 05:49
Nope, won't happen. SL is too unreliable for business demands.
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Pham Neutra
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02-21-2006 05:52
From: Martin Magpie Would you like to see SL strictly used just as a business platform? No. SL is a veritable, if budding, business platform already. I fail to see - or maybe I just don't understand the question - how SL could be "strictly used" - as a business platform or how such a platform would look like in comparison to the current Second Life. If we compare Second Life and similar platforms - in existence or in development - with the web, calling it "Metaverse" or "Web 3.0" this comparison maybe illustrates the problems I have with the question. The web (1.0 and 2.0) surely is a business platform. But I am not sure what it would look like if it were "strictly used just as a business platform"? Every page impression a transaction? No non-profit websites? No weblogs? This would probably be not as good a business platform as the current web if it were "strictly" a business platform, because many customers for the businesses on the web would not on the web, if it were "strictly" a business plaform.I would expect the same for SL. From: Martin Magpie How are wishing to see SL as a business platform pushed forward? Sorry, you've lost me. What Do you mean with this question exactly?
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Argent Stonecutter
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02-21-2006 05:55
I would love to be able to buy or lease a "mini grid" for business meetings. This grid would have to be physically isolated from the Internet, either by a business-to-business VPN between here and California, or preferably by colocating it in our own data center.
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Kris Ritter
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02-21-2006 06:16
From: Eggy Lippmann I would, though, more than welcome a version of SL that was more about enabling developers to unleash its full power and have full control over it without all the silly builtin restrictions put in place to prevent "griefing" and excessive resource usage. What the egg said. Or to put it in a more Krisesque way, SL is good. People fuck it up. I'd like an SL without the people, please 
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Lora Morgan
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02-21-2006 06:22
If it were strictly business, there'd be hardly any customers.
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Hiro Queso
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02-21-2006 06:50
From: Lora Morgan If it were strictly business, there'd be hardly any customers. heh yeh, I think businesses would struggle on their own somehow 
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Frans Charming
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02-21-2006 06:55
It is a platform that allows business. If the platform was only about business then their wouldn't be any business to be made. So there has to be more then business alone.
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Khamon Fate
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02-21-2006 07:30
From: Frans Charming It is a platform that allows business. The software provides a platform that can be used for business purposes, just not on the Second Life grid. Second Life itself is a world. It supports a free-for-all circus of a community that happens to conduct a little microbusiness as a small part of the vast entertaining game. Ask Philip, he explains it in much more compelling terminology. As this grid is an entertaining toy, I see no reason that others can't be built to support business endeavours. People will browse to them to conduct business with each other just as they browse to the Second Life grid for fun. I utterly fail to understand why people insist on translating talk of using the software for purposes other than Second Life All Hail The Central Second Life into changing Second Life into something that it isn't. Why the frellin hell is using the software to build other grids for other purposes such an elusive concept?
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Jarod Godel
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02-21-2006 07:31
From: Khamon Fate Why the frellin hell is using the software to build other grids for other purposes such an elusive concept? For the very same reason that warning texture makers about the ease of theft is wrong... IT BREAKS THE CON!
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Keiki Lemieux
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02-21-2006 07:59
Someone's trying to turn this into a Drama Thread...
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Anyway, in response to the OP, I'm not sure what you are asking. I would hate to see SL become strictly business, because it would eliminate so much of what SL is about right now. And almost all current business ventures would certainly fail if you eliminated the "non-business" applications, however you define that.
Also, for businesses that might want to use SL, but aren't really interested in the current customer base (say they want to create a virtual training center for their employees), can't they set up a private island currently? I would imagine if someone had a big enough project and deep enough pockets, LL could set up a separate grid.
Perhaps to get the conversation going, you need to explain your vision of what a strictly business Second Life would look like.
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Ferran Brodsky
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02-21-2006 08:17
Meeting minutes from random conglomerate X as held in SL From: someone 1 : Alright everyone get the notecard on last weeks meeting minutes? 6 : Yessir right here sir 4 : didn't see the inv drop LOLZ 5 : we have meeting mins??// 1 : doesnt really matter, last weeks meeting was interrupted by a griefer anyway. and we don't have meeting mins 6 : I took notes  5 : kissazz 4 : RoFlolZ!!!1 1 : so we begin again with why we are using SL as our global meeting platform and how we are saving tons of $ 6 : Cha-ching 5 : seriously dude, stop 1 : by conferencing in SL we can allow more of our offices to participate or at least get a feel for the direction of the company 3 : caressing your back with my hands I slowly and gently kiss your neck. 4 : OMFGROFLOLZBBQ!!!!111 RAWK! 1 : WTF! 3 : omg mitsell so sowwy 5 : Jake, are you doing lesbian cyber again? 3 : umm no. and call me susan while we are in SL kk? 1 : W T F ! !!111 U told me U girl!!!
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Ordinal Malaprop
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02-21-2006 08:29
I'd love to be able to grief people in meetings.
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Enabran Templar
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02-21-2006 08:50
From: Forseti Svarog no, I would not like to see SL strictly used for any one thing. There is room enough for many things and many people. Precisely stated.
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Jarod Godel
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02-21-2006 08:53
From: Keiki Lemieux Someone's trying to turn this into a Drama Thread... I'll assume you're talking to me... I'm not trying to turn this into a drama thread. I'm simply replying to Khamon's question in regards to the OP: "Why ... is using the software to build other grids for other purposes such an elusive concept?" My answer is simply because changing the current model of one centralized grid with one common, bottlenecked currency would mean that a lot of businesses would stop working because of the simple reason their proprietors couldn't adapt to a system that didn't slant in their favor.
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Argent Stonecutter
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02-21-2006 08:59
From: Khamon Fate Why the frellin hell is using the software to build other grids for other purposes such an elusive concept? Five pounds of flax.
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Enabran Templar
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02-21-2006 09:02
From: Eggy Lippmann I would, though, more than welcome a version of SL that was more about enabling developers to unleash its full power and have full control over it without all the silly builtin restrictions put in place to prevent "griefing" and excessive resource usage. Man, I could so get down on this. Give me this window: [Simulator Management] Physics Gravity: (0 - 1000) Intertia: (0 - 1000) Default Avatar Mass: (0 - 1000) etc, etc. Preferably with a checkbox to enable realistic movement in water! (Buoyancy, resistance to movement based on surface area, etc) I mean, Havok can produce any number of different physics simulations, not just the boring terrestrial stuff we're used to in SL (think of the zero-atmosphere portions of Halo 2). It's just a matter of changing some variables, surely.
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